14 Points of Fascism - Are We There Yet?

alias · 08-14-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by intangible child

Many in Germany wished not to pollute their minds with the reality of what was happening, and finally they went after anyone and everyone including the Christians!

According to Harry W. Mazal, Pastor Martin Niemoller (1892-1984) activist and survivor of Dachau concentration camp exact words reported in
Congressional Record 14, October 1968, page 31636 :
When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church -- and there was nobody left to be concerned.
http://www.trinity.wa.edu.au/plduffy...ving/moral.htm

Who are the fascists in our government and what are they names? Then tell me what makes them a fascist

alias · 08-14-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

Most of the points have been met by the Bush administration.

Give me one point, just one, that makes Bush a fascist and we can discuss it.
Here's another chance for you to make the meaningful debate you say you want.

hevusa · 08-14-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Give me one point, just one, that makes Bush a fascist and we can discuss it.
Here's another chance for you to make the meaningful debate you say you want.

One word. Guantanamo.

If you need more than one point:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

alias · 08-14-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

One word. Guantanamo.

If you need more than one point:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

What has happened at Guantanamo that you think equates to fascism. Let the quality debate you so yearn for begin.

hevusa · 08-14-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

What has happened at Guantanamo that you think equates to fascism. Let the quality debate you so yearn for begin.

A terror suspect held at Guantanamo Bay asked his US military judge a pointed question: ''Is it possible to see the evidence in order to refute it?" In another case, according to court documents, a judge blurted out: ''I don't care about international law."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/lat...amo_detainees/

For the second time in less than three months, the President Bush is threatening to veto an impending military spending bill if it carries any provisions calling for Congressional oversight of United States detention policy in the so-called "war on terror." The $440 billion package is $7 billion less than President George W. Bush sought, Reuters reports.

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?...em&itemid=2437

THE Bush administration is preparing plans for possible lifetime detention of suspected terrorists, including hundreds the government does not have enough evidence to charge in court, it was reported yesterday.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/inte...cfm?id=4262005

Why don't you actually look at the page I posted. It is all there.

alias · 08-14-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

A terror suspect held at Guantanamo Bay asked his US military judge a pointed question: ''Is it possible to see the evidence in order to refute it?" In another case, according to court documents, a judge blurted out: ''I don't care about international law."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/lat...amo_detainees/

For the second time in less than three months, the President Bush is threatening to veto an impending military spending bill if it carries any provisions calling for Congressional oversight of United States detention policy in the so-called "war on terror." The $440 billion package is $7 billion less than President George W. Bush sought, Reuters reports.

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?...em&itemid=2437

THE Bush administration is preparing plans for possible lifetime detention of suspected terrorists, including hundreds the government does not have enough evidence to charge in court, it was reported yesterday.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/inte...cfm?id=4262005

Why don't you actually look at the page I posted. It is all there.

I don't care about international law either. Why should America respect some law that is authored by those who wish to see our demise? What the president is doing sounds good to me. We are fighting terrorism and every suspected terrorist should be looked at as a threat to America. America is an independent nation. The world does not dictate our foreign policy. That does not make the government fascist. Do you think Iran is a facist government?

hevusa · 08-14-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

I don't care about international law either. Why should America respect some law that is authored by those who wish to see our demise? What the president is doing sounds good to me. We are fighting terrorism and every suspected terrorist should be looked at as a threat to America. America is an independent nation. The world does not dictate our foreign policy. That does not make the government fascist. Do you think Iran is a facist government?

Disregarding international law only compromises our influence over the world and more importantly: it is illegal! How the hell are we going to be trusted if we make rules as we go. It, along with 13 other points, absolutely make this administration facist.

The disdain for the recognition of human rights we have shown in Guantanamo is without excuse. They have the right to a fair trial.

alias · 08-14-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

Disregarding international law only compromises our influence over the world and more importantly: it is illegal! How the hell are we going to be trusted if we make rules as we go. It, along with 13 other points, absolutely make this administration facist.

The disdain for the recognition of human rights we have shown in Guantanamo is without excuse. They have the right to a fair trial.

It is illegal to the communists and the socialists and dictators who make the law is all. You may wish to bow to them and I am sure you do.

In my opinion they do not have the right to a trial. In my opinion, they are the same as prisoners of war. They weren't picked up for scalping Red Sox tickets. They can stay there until the military decides what to do with them or commit suicide for all I care. I put the safety of my country over some islamofacist's "rights".

hevusa · 08-14-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

It is illegal to the communists and the socialists and dictators who make the law is all. You may wish to bow to them and I am sure you do.

In my opinion they do not have the right to a trial. In my opinion, they are the same as prisoners of war. They weren't picked up for scalping Red Sox tickets. They can stay there until the military decides what to do with them or commit suicide for all I care. I put the safety of my country over some islamofacist's "rights".

It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion of the matter is. We have to follow the law or we are no better than the enemy and it also makes this administration facist.

Katczinsky · 08-14-2006, 05:01 PM

Disadane for international and humanitarian law is a main point of fascism. And Alias is certainly showing how he can be a good obedient citizen of a fascist state.