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Old 08-14-2006, 09:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Glad to be of assistance. The Islamic religion doesn't approve of violence any more than Christianity does.

My God man are you dense. What the hell does that have to do with reality? What muslims are you talking about? The ones you see on CNN telling us that muslims are the religion of peace or some such crap?

You have who knows how many muslims filling the mosques every day to listen to mullahs preach about killing Jews and Christians and Americans. You have schools run by muslims teaching the children to kill Jews and Christians and Americans. You have state TV in Iran and The Palestinians brainwashing children to die for Allah by putting a bomb vest on and taking Jews with them. And you're gonna expect me to sit here and believe your pathetic attempt at moral equivalency. Timothy Mcveigh never killed anyone in the name of Jesus. He was a nut. You have to be the dumbest fucking imbecile on the planet and so full of shit that every time you take a step your shoes squish.
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"Islam is Peace" Says President

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...010917-11.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_war.htm


Even Dubya gets it.
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Old 08-14-2006, 10:27 PM   #33 (permalink)
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[b]1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
So now it's "wrong" to be patriotic. Wow. That's not fascism, that's stupid.

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
More cry-baby rhetoric. The United State of America LEADS THE WORLD IN RECOGNITION OF HUMAN RIGHTS. If you don't believe that, go to Africa where they still force genital mutilation on women. Or go to most middle-East countries where they simply torture and/or execute people wtih no trial. Or maybe you'd like to spend some time in communist China. Screaming about "alleged" human rights violations by the USA while ignoring the GLARING abuses around the world is like obsessing about the speck in somebody else's eye while ignoring the plank in your own.

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
Identifying radical Muslim terrorists as a threat to America, it's people, and Western freedoms is NOT "scapegoating". It is identifying the enemy. Get your facts straight. They want to kill us. They want to destroy democracy and everything that is not Muslim. They are NOT a scapegoat, they are the ENEMY.

4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
The United States is NOT, and HAS NOT been, in ANY full-scale military operation for DECADES. But you CANNOT deal with mind-less terrorists and savages that want nothing more than to destroy you. Military might is NECESSARY to maintain freedom and security of a nation.

5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
One name: Condi Rice. Whoever came up with point #5 is a total dumbass. The Bush Administration has more "people of color" and more women in high positions than ANY previous administration. Point #5 is pure, idiotic, stupid crap.

6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Controlled Mass Media like Free Speech TV, Internet Blogs, Public Radio & TV, etc. Yep. Controlled media alright.

7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
National Security is NECESSARY. This is another dumbass statement.

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Religion and government are ALWAYS intertwined. Don't kind yourself into thinking that Democrats, who are Catholics, do NOT have their religion influence their governing. Or that senators, who are atheists, don't let their "religion of antitheism" govern their governing.

9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Corporations create jobs. Government does not. There will ALWAYS be a struggle to maintain the correct balance.

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
Do some research on labor unions. While they usually start out good, the quickly become more corrupt than the corruption and greed they're supposed to be fighting. Again, it's a matter of checks and balances. But, more importantly, LABOR UNIONS ARE NOT THE ONLY REAL THREAT TO A FASCIST GOVERNMENT. THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID.

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Again, one name: Dr Condoleeza Rice. Point #11 is yet another example of stupid, leftist BS. Utterly idiotic. WHO ARE ALL THE AMERICAN INTELLECTUALS WHO ARE BEING ARRESTED AND SILENCED? Stupid BS. Nothing more.

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
Examples of this in 21st Century America? Didn't think so. Another point of absolute BS. Pure crap.

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Proven examples - other than the relentless childish accusations - of this in the 21st Century America? Didn't think so. Another point of absolute BS. Pure crap.

14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
More liberal cry-baby antics. Grow up. It is NOT a mystery why GWB WON Florida in 2000. His brother, Jeb, is wildly popular in that state. Unsubstantiated accusations, particularly by losers, don't count for crap - all they do is give the losers an excuse to cry.
14 points?

More like 14 piles of CRAP.
Old 08-14-2006, 10:59 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Jefferson, you're arguing against an article by Dr. Laurence Britt. Those "14 piles of crap" were written after years of studying fascist regimes.

But I'll just leave you be, and let you make a display of yourself attempting to defend the characteristics of fascism.
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:11 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Jefferson, you're arguing against an article by Dr. Laurence Britt. Those "14 piles of crap" were written after years of studying fascist regimes.

But I'll just leave you be, and let you make a display of yourself attempting to defend the characteristics of fascism.
The articles were written By Laurence Britt - a man who has been writing this CRAP since the early 1970s.

Did he predict the presence of the Bush Administration, since you seem to think that's what he's talking about?

http://www.secularhumanism.org/libra...britt_23_2.htm


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Old 08-15-2006, 09:10 AM   #36 (permalink)
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He wrote that article in 2004. Time to grow up Jefferson.
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Old 08-15-2006, 09:29 AM   #37 (permalink)
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He wrote that article in 2004. Time to grow up Jefferson.
Is that why it appeared in 2003?

And is that why it appears almost exclusively in these radical, blow-hard ultra-liberal blogs?

Do some research. Here's something one guy wrote, debunking this Lawrence Britt idiot. The guy is a retired businessman who now writes novels! He worked for such corporate scum as Allied Chemical, Mobil, and Xerox.
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“Fascism Anyone?” - hoaxes go both ways?

So I received this email the other day sending me the following link:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

The email basically said I should go check out the link and see what I think about George Bush and his fascist regime. I went to the site and checked it out and I’ll admit it seems convincing. But, considering all of the political propaganda that’s getting passed around these days, I have to admit I was a bit skeptical. So, I looked into the alleged source for these points and, not surprisingly, there are problems.

As near as I can tell, the only reference to Dr. Lawrence Britt is in association with these 14 points. And the only reference to the book ‘Fascism Anyone?’ is also in reference to these 14 points. Neither Amazon.com (which really does have almost everything) nor any university library in Ohio has that specific book nor any works by ‘Dr. Lawrence Britt’ (anyone can search ohio’s library system).

As it turns out, Dr. Lawrence Britt is actually just ‘Lawrence Britt,’ a contributor to Free Inquiry, a magazine published by The Council for Secular Humanism. The article is freely available online. But as far as Mr. Britt being a political scientist, there is no reference to this in Free Inquiry. In fact, it says he is writing a novel to be released in 2004. While Lawrence Britt may have come up with these points, I’m hesitant to accept his analysis without the confirmation of actual political scientists. If his 14 points were published in a peer reviewed journal, I’d believe them. As they stand - propaganda!

For all you gung-ho democrats out there that want to claim Republicans are the only spin-meisters, think again. What was that old Biblical phrase, “cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.” (Luke 6:41-43)
http://genesoc.com/blog1/?p=27

You ultra-liberals are just too darned naive and gullible!
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Uh, yeah, right. Let's do the math......One Mcveigh and thousands and thousands of muslim terrorists. Why yes. You're right. Why didn't I see it? I can't believe how smart you are. I see it now and it's perfectly clear. Thousands and thousands of muslim terrorists, muslim dictators in control of weapons to destroy America, muslim clerics preaching hatred of Christians and Jews and to kill the infidel, thousands of muslims in the streets chanting death to Israel and America, numerous attackes and kidnappings and beheadings in the name of Allah, state-sponsored terrorism.....

Why yes, I can see it so much better now. Thanks Hevusa. I'm truly sorry for questioning your reasoning. Please forgive me.
Come on man! What about the 41 bombings of abortion clinics just in the US and Canada in the last twenty-one years? What about the 7 murders, 17 attempted murders, 3 kidnappings, 375 death threats, 655 anthrax threats, 173 arsons, 89 attempted bombings or arsons, 1347 incidences of trespassing, 1213 incidences of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid?
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Just the Christian violence against abortion far outnumbers any Muslim attacks in our country. This isn't counting the countless attacks on Jews, or Muslims. This isn't counting acts like the Oklahoma Bombings. This is just abortion attacks.
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I'm waiting for some of you gullible, patsy liberals to try to defend this Britt fella - the guy who goes by "Dr Britt" even though he's not a "Doctor" anything.


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"Islam is Peace" Says President

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...010917-11.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_war.htm


Even Dubya gets it.
He called the terrorists "islamic fascists" also a few days ago. Every terrorist is a muslim, but not every muslim is a terrorist. Every nazi was a German, but not every German was a nazi. Yeah, we get it.

What is the religion of those who decapitate people? Muslim. Real peaceful.
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