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Old 10-16-2006, 04:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Admitting that it's "the wrong move" is NOT the same as saying it's illegal, or is unconstitutional.

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Old 10-16-2006, 06:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Admitting that it's "the wrong move" is NOT the same as saying it's illegal, or is unconstitutional.

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I agree with your statement but the supreme court has said it is unconstitutional. Really, in the end they make the laws and our opinions are nothing.
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Old 10-16-2006, 07:10 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I agree with your statement but the supreme court has said it is unconstitutional. Really, in the end they make the laws and our opinions are nothing.
Then why hasn't the Supreme Court, or any other agency, acted against the President?

I think you know why. You just don't want to admit it.



...and by the way, The Supreme Court does not "make the laws".
Old 10-16-2006, 09:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Ok, I should have said they rule on interpetation and what the existing laws mean, but they did say some of the Presidents moves were unconstitutional.
This pretty much means the President did break the law. If he was actually aware he was breaking the law is a whole other subject for debate.
And we all know why no action has been taken. We are in the middle of a war and our Congress and Senate are not about to take action against the President and divide this country thereby making us look even more like we don't have our shit together. I won't get into the possibility of charges in the future because that is speculation and would leave myself open to your ever present claim of liberals all ways saying something like this when they have no arguement; but really, the only arguement I need is that his moves have been legally ruled on and were unconstitutional.
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So... the Democrats do NOT want to "divide the country"?

Yeah, and my crap doesn't stink!

They'd love NOTHING MORE than to divide the country and impeach Bush. But they CAN'T - and they KNOW it!

You're just dodging the issue, and trying to make excuses for why Bush hasn't been impeached. But you know as well as I do that they're all a bunch of BS!
Old 10-16-2006, 09:14 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I dodged nothing. Last I knew the Congess and the Senate were made up of both Rebublicans and Democrats. Read what I wrote not what you want to see between the lines.
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I dodged nothing. Last I knew the Congess and the Senate were made up of both Rebublicans and Democrats. Read what I wrote not what you want to see between the lines.
You're just like a dog chasing its tail.

So do keep trying to come up with all these excuses as to why Bush hasn't been impeached. But we all know why he hasn't been... YOU just cannot admit it.
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You're just like a dog chasing its tail.

So do keep trying to come up with all these excuses as to why Bush hasn't been impeached. But we all know why he hasn't been... YOU just cannot admit it.
I have made no excuses. I gave my opinion and I think it make alot more sense that your Neo-conservative, off the deep end conspiracy theory that the Democrats are trying to divide the nation.
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Old 10-17-2006, 01:44 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Lets just say this okay, President has admitted to making mistakes in his intrepretations of the law. Congress makes the laws and the President has the authority to enforce them. The President was called into question to how he was enforcing the laws. The President in enforcing the laws has the right to determine how to enforce them, an implied power of the Constitution. The question that arose was whether his intrepretation of the laws was correct. The Supreme Court reiviewed the facts and issued an opinion, that the method of enforcement used by the President was unconstitutional. That is how the system of checks and balances is suppose to function, and that is exactly what it did. To say the President is guilty of a crime because of his method of execution of the laws is ridiculous, that it calls for impeachment is just as idiotic.

By this measure of standard, every law that the Supreme Court overturns on the basis of constitutionality, means that all members of the legislative body that passed said law are guilty of crimes and thus impeachable.

Mens rea requires that a person knowingly commit an illegal act, the incorrect interpretation of a law by the executive does not meet such standard, nor would it apply to the legislator who creates the law.

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Lets just say this okay, President has admitted to making mistakes in his intrepretations of the law. Congress makes the laws and the President has the authority to enforce them. The President was called into question to how he was enforcing the laws. The President in enforcing the laws has the right to determine how to enforce them, an implied power of the Constitution. The question that arose was whether his intrepretation of the laws was correct. The Supreme Court reiviewed the facts and issued an opinion, that the method of enforcement used by the President was unconstitutional. That is how the system of checks and balances is suppose to function, and that is exactly what it did. To say the President is guilty of a crime because of his method of execution of the laws is ridiculous, that it calls for impeachment is just as idiotic.

By this measure of standard, every law that the Supreme Court overturns on the basis of constitutionality, means that all members of the legislative body that passed said law are guilty of crimes and thus impeachable.

Mens rea requires that a person knowingly commit an illegal act, the incorrect interpretation of a law by the executive does not meet such standard, nor would it apply to the legislator who creates the law.

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I agree with you that if the President didn't realize his interptation was wrong that he may not be impeachable. This certainly would hold alot of water if the evidence wasn't present concerning the pre-war knowledge that Iraq had no WMD program, on going and that at the time Saddam was of little concequence in battling terror. If the President did lie to us concerning the Iraqi threat, and he was planning on going in there before 9/11(which also has been substantiated), than applying the Executive power, reserved for during war time only, and applying his method of execution of these laws, should never have even taken place. Therefore, his interpetation of said laws would be moot. This would make him impeachable.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville

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