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Old 07-28-2005, 08:09 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 07-28-2005, 08:13 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 07-28-2005, 08:17 PM   #33 (permalink)
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As long as I don't do anything to you personally I should be able to express any freedom of expression in front of you without deserving an ass whopping.

Think of someone who hates homosexuals. If two guys are holding hands walking down the street they certainly don't deserve an beating for expressing themselves.

I suppose diversity isn't something you think the flag stands for...
I agree with you. And The flag does stand for diversity. But this is one area where I am most definately an extremeist. I see an attack on my flag as an attack on my country, which I will remind you I am SWORN to defend.
Way to keep things in perspective.
Old 07-28-2005, 08:18 PM   #34 (permalink)
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As long as I don't do anything to you personally I should be able to express any freedom of expression in front of you without deserving an ass whopping.

Think of someone who hates homosexuals. If two guys are holding hands walking down the street they certainly don't deserve an beating for expressing themselves.

I suppose diversity isn't something you think the flag stands for...
I agree with you. And The flag does stand for diversity. But this is one area where I am most definately an extremeist. I see an attack on my flag as an attack on my country, which I will remind you I am SWORN to defend.
Way to keep things in perspective.
How did I go out of perspective?
Old 07-28-2005, 08:18 PM   #35 (permalink)
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That's funny, because I suspect that is true for you...

You get a very different perspective of the flag when you have actually served your country... Too many people in this country have lost their respect for what makes this country great, which is embodied in the flag.
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As long as I don't do anything to you personally I should be able to express any freedom of expression in front of you without deserving an ass whopping.

Think of someone who hates homosexuals. If two guys are holding hands walking down the street they certainly don't deserve an beating for expressing themselves.

I suppose diversity isn't something you think the flag stands for...
I agree with you. And The flag does stand for diversity. But this is one area where I am most definately an extremeist. I see an attack on my flag as an attack on my country, which I will remind you I am SWORN to defend.
Way to keep things in perspective.
How did I go out of perspective?
The flag stands for as much injustice as it does liberty and freedom. When you defend it you are also defending that injustice. To have such an extreme view about a situation like that is to loose perspective in my opinion.
Old 07-28-2005, 08:30 PM   #37 (permalink)
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sworn to defend against all enemies foreign AND domestic. god bless ya tadpole even tho you arent a man of faith.

that flag doesnt stand for people that liberals conservatives democrats or republicans or independents. it stands for the servicemen and women (not so much the women) that gave their lives protectin wat we still have to this day freedom, some of you may not see it as freedom, but hey name a country a country or time on this earth when there was complete freedom when humans actually had the knowledge we have now.

you might see this country the way that hevusa sees it but i look at the silver lining. this is a country where people are allowed to worship freely, bear arms and all the other rights in the in the bill. even tho congress might pass a few laws that cut down on total freedoms that these rights give us, but that is only to help us out.

a lady came into my uncles shop today for a car insurance inspection and she had a shirt on that said my son defends freedom and goarmy underneath it. i said nice shirt helped her out with her inspection, even tho i screwed up with some paperwork. when she left i felt the urge to run up to her and tell her to tell her son to keep up the good work, i thought it would be stupid but then i sprouted sac and along came some nuts and i got the courage to tell her that as she drove away and she said thank you. i felt pretty good about wat i had said and about wat her son was doin. her son is in the DC Area at walter reed hospital where they send most of the wounded that lose limbs or certain abilities. i was proud of her, her son and all the others he serves with.

i found out which army air corps unit that my grandpa volunteered to serve with, he was stationed at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, my bestfriend lives up there her dad is with the navy he is a cryptologist.

i have more to say that i cant remember. not all of it can be said its mostly a feeling...
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Old 07-28-2005, 08:31 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Here is my thing, and we all know I am VERY patriotic. I think you have every right to burn the flag. It is freedom of speech. It is what the flag stands for, and ultimately that's what matters.

On the other side of the coin...

If I see you desicrating a flag, I will stomp a mud-hole in your ass. I consider it an attack on this great nation, and consider it my duty as a member of the armed forces.
Then you might as well kick somebody's ass for putting Support Our Troops magnets on their car, or kick somebody's ass for endorsing candidates, or kick somebody's ass for saying they think the President's policies are wrong....because it's all political speech and it's all protected.

And for the record, I would never intentionally desecrate the American flag.
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Old 07-28-2005, 08:32 PM   #39 (permalink)
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When someone very brave like tadpole, or anyone else who is willing to defend the flag at all costs, are defending the history and futures of America (in my eyes). This may be too extreme, but watching an American flag burn, is like watching an innocent man die right in front of you. You get that feeling that you don't want to have when you are seeing something like this.

Maybe it's just me...
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As long as I don't do anything to you personally I should be able to express any freedom of expression in front of you without deserving an ass whopping.

Think of someone who hates homosexuals. If two guys are holding hands walking down the street they certainly don't deserve an beating for expressing themselves.

I suppose diversity isn't something you think the flag stands for...
I agree with you. And The flag does stand for diversity. But this is one area where I am most definately an extremeist. I see an attack on my flag as an attack on my country, which I will remind you I am SWORN to defend.
Way to keep things in perspective.
How did I go out of perspective?
The flag stands for as much injustice as it does liberty and freedom. When you defend it you are also defending that injustice. To have such an extreme view about a situation like that is to loose perspective in my opinion.
NO SIR!

IT DOES NOT!

The flag stands for Freedom and Justice for all. The ideal this country was founded on. Sure this country does a lot of things that is contrary to that ideal, but that does not change the ideal the flag stands for. We are not a perfect nation sir, but we are a damn fine one, founded on the finest of principles. And it is those principles which the flag stands for, nothing more, nothing less. To try to say otherwise is ignorance. An ignorance afforded to you by the flag!
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