Defending the Truth

Yeah, uhhh huhhh.

It has been PROVE REPEATEDLY that NPR and PBS are liberal-leaning propaganda machines. One name: Nina Totenberg.


It has also been proven repeatedly that MoveOn.org is one of the most ridiculous websites on the internet - and it boggles the mind to think that ANYBODY could take seriously ANYTHING they say.

Yes, please be gullible enough to believe ANYTHING you read on MoveOn.org!

once again, hysterical hyperbole and insulting screaming from Jefferson

or did I miss the link to the proof of what he wrote?

To me it seems as if "ridiculous" is an opinion. You can't really "prove" and opinion. But if you have conclusive proof that they are dishonest (which I am guessing you are implying), then I would like to see it.

I would also like to see this 'proof' that conclusively shows NPR and PBS are liberal propaganda machines.

No you wouldn't.

I've posted links many times - and you've obviously always ignored them.

You're just in too deep. You're up to your eyeballs, and you can't see that it's a sewer that you're swimming in.

This whole post is about a petition. Explain to me why a petition would be a hoax. Did you go to the petition?
There is no reason I could think of why a petition would be a hoax. Heres some proof.

Fiscal Year 2008 Budget
BUSH PROPOSES STEEP CUT TO PBS FUNDING
[SOURCE: TVWeek, AUTHOR: Ira Teinowitz]
President Bush is reopening the fight over government support of public television, unveiling a budget that would cut federal funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting by nearly 25 percent. There was some confusion on how to tally the exact cut, but public TV and congressional sources said at least $114 million of the $460 million CPB budget for the fiscal year that starts in October would be cut. The Association of Public Television Stations said the total impact could be $145 million when cuts in related programs are added, including a program to upgrade radio station satellite facilities. A CPB analysis of the budget said the cuts include the $50 million already appropriated by Congress for next year, elimination of additional funding for digital conversion of public TV stations and a slight decrease in the Ready to Learn program. In addition to the cuts, the traditional advance funding for future years' programs would disappear, potentially making it harder for public stations to commit to future TV programming. A spokeswoman for PBS said that the cuts would be "disastrous" for public TV stations.
TV Week
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* Reaction from Rep Ed Markey (D-MA)
Rep. Markey said of the cuts to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, “In a 24-7 television world with content often inappropriate for young children, the public broadcasting system represents an oasis of quality, child-oriented educational programming. We owe America’s children and their parents this free, over-the-air resource."
Congressman Edward Markey - February 5, 2007 - MARKEY: BUSH BUDGET IS BAD FOR BAY STATE'S CHILDREN, ELDERLY, SICK; CUTS OTHER KEY PROGRAMS HEAVILY

Fore more see --
* Press Briefing by OMB Director Rob Portman on the President's Fiscal Year 2008 Budget
Press Briefing by OMB Director Rob Portman on the President's Fiscal Year 2008 Budget
* Bush seeks more war funding
President Bush asked Congress to approve defense spending of $622 billion -- much of it for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- as he unveiled a $2.9 trillion budget request for the 2008 fiscal year.
Photo Slideshow | Reuters.com
* Bush budget plans cuts to education, other grants
Photo Slideshow | Reuters.com

BUSH SEEKS SPENDING INCREASES IN RESEARCH, SURVEILLANCE
[SOURCE: C-Net|News.com, AUTHOR: Anne Broache]
President Bush's proposed $2.9 trillion budget for next year calls for increases in some scientific research funding, along with boosts for counterterrorism surveillance and screening programs. The president's plan includes beefing up spending for his American Competitiveness Initiative, which aims to ensure that the United States keeps up with its global competitors in the science and technology realm. Under the proposed budget, the National Science Foundation would receive $6.4 billion in funding, a 6.8 percent boost from last year. Of that amount, about $5.1 billion would go to "research and related activities," which in the past "has contributed to the development of the Internet and Internet search engines, fiber optics, color plasma displays, magnetic resonance imaging, and other advances that now help each of us in our daily lives," according to the president's budget breakdown for that agency. That number includes $390 million -- an increase of 4.5 percent from last year -- for NSF's nanotechnology research arm, and $994 million -- a 10 percent boost -- for its Networking and Information Technology Research and Development program. Some tech-centric agencies could experience cuts. The National Institute of Standards and Technology, for instance, saw an increase in budget levels for its core research activities. But its Advanced Technology Program, which is designed to explore "unproven, early stage technologies," appears to be on the way out. Its proposed funding plummeted from about $79 billion this year to zero dollars for the next fiscal year. NIST representatives did not respond immediately to requests for clarification.
Bush seeks spending increases in research, surveillance | CNET News.com

BUSH'S BUDGET: $313M FOR FCC, FUNDING FOR DTV CAMPAIGN
[SOURCE: Broadcasting&Cable, AUTHOR: John Eggerton]
Under President Bush's proposed FY 2008 budget, the Federal Communications Commission would receive $313 million. Under the new budget plan, all but $1 million in FCC funding would come from fees assessed against regulated entities. The FCC’s current budget, adopted for FY 2006, is frozen at $289.8 million until Congress resolves disputes that prevented passage of a FY 2007 budget. The FCC has asked Congress for $1.5 million for a DTV education campaign. The FCC says it plans to produce PSA's, Web material and publications. It also plans to participate in forums and to work with the National Association of Broadcasters and the Association of Public Television Stations to air the PSA's. The campaign will include expanding its "DTV Deputy" campaign educating kids about the transition by encouraging those kids to educate their parents and caregivers. The FCC plans to use the money to distribute the information to low-income and minority consumers and translate the information into Spanish, Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese.
FCC Asks For Funding for DTV Education Campaign - 2/5/2007 3:14:00 PM - Broadcasting & Cable
Bush’s Budget: $313M for FCC - 2/5/2007 5:26:00 PM - Multichannel News
* FCC news release
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-270286A1.doc

NTIA'S FY 2008 BUDGET REQUEST
[SOURCE: National Telecommunications and Information Administration]
A look at the budget of the Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information Administration. The budget of $18.6 million and 103 FTE will enable NTIA to pursue these goals. The budget does not include funds for the Public Telecommunications Facilities Program "as funds are available for these activities from other sources." This program has helped public broadcasting stations construct facilities. Goals: 1) American Competitiveness Initiative: creating a regulatory environment that fosters private sector innovation in telecommunications. 2) President’s Spectrum Policy for the 21st Century initiative -- foster economic growth; ensure national and homeland security; maintain U.S. global leadership in communications technology development and services; and satisfy other vital U.S. needs in areas such as public safety, scientific research, Federal transportation infrastructure, and law enforcement. The NTIA is responsible for the development of domestic and international telecommunications and information policy for the Executive Branch, for ensuring the efficient and effective use of the Federal radio spectrum, and for performing state-of-the-art telecommunications research, engineering, and planning.
National Telecommunications & Information Administration
* Fact Sheet: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/FY2..._factsheet.pdf
* Executive Summary: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/FY2...08_summary.pdf
* As presented to Congress: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/FY2...equest2008.pdf

BUSH BUDGET AGAIN WOULD CUT E2T2
[SOURCE: eSchool News]
For the fourth straight year, President Bush has proposed cutting the Enhancing Education Through Technology block-grant program -- the primary source of federal funding for school technology -- from the federal budget. Advocates of educational technology say the move makes little sense, given the president's stated commitment to ensuring the global competitiveness of American students. Altogether, President Bush proposes cutting 44 education programs totaling $2.2 billion -- including the $273 million that E2T2 received in 2007, as well as $35 million for arts education, $35 million for school counseling, and $60 million for enhancing teacher quality. Most of these same programs have been slated for elimination in Bush's budget plans for the past three years, but Congress each year has voted to spare them.
eSchool News online - Bush budget again would cut E2T2

Here are some more reliable sources:

Current.org | White House proposes cuts in public broadcasting aid, 2007

Policy Council - Association of Public Television Stations - APTS Condemns Administration's Proposed Budget Cuts That Threaten the Future of Public Broadcasting



MoveOn Launches CPB Budget-Saving Petition | Benton Foundation
MOVEON LAUNCHES CPB BUDGET-SAVING PETITION
[SOURCE: Broadcasting&Cable, AUTHOR: John Eggerton]
Moveon.org has launched an online petition drive opposing the latest budget cuts to public broadcasting and sees the new Democratic Congress as an opportunity to "make sure this never happens again."
MoveOn Launches CPB Budget-Saving Petition - 2/8/2007 12:43:00 PM - Broadcasting & Cable
* See the petition:
MoveOn.org Civic Action: Save NPR and PBS once and for all

Now, please show some real proof of your accusation that this is a fraud.
Good luck.

The whole point, Ty, is that this is a whole lotta hype over NOTHING.

The funding for NPR and PBS comes up for renewal every year - and every once in awhile somebody (usually a conservative trying to make a point, which is pretty danged legitimate) raises a stink about public funding for a liberal outlet like NPR/PBS.

The funding doesn't get cut.


But it does all for MoveOn.Org - and all its drones - to make a big stink and froth at the mouths like there's some "vast right-wing conspiracy" going on here.

When are people going to THINK?

Your point is not that at all. Your point was a personal attack on MoveOn because it is what you called a Fraud. The petition is very real. I posted the links to prove that your claim was inncorrect.
Now you have just confirmed that: 'The funding for NPR and PBS comes up for renewal every year - and every once in awhile somebody (usually a conservative trying to make a point, which is pretty danged legitimate)'.
The conservative you are talking about is George Bush. The only difference from what you said that is that it happens every year NOTever once in a while!

eSchool News online - Bush budget again would cut E2T2
Bush budget again would cut E2T2
President proposes $56B for education in 2008--but nothing for ed tech
From: eSchool News staff and wire service reports

The $56 billion that President Bush has proposed in federal funding for education in 2008 is a small portion of the $2.9 trillion spending plan he sent to a Democratic Congress on Feb. 5. Overall, the president has proposed a big increase in military spending, including billions more to fight the war in Iraq, while squeezing the rest of government to meet his goal of eliminating the deficit in five years.

How education fares against other budget measures

For the fourth straight year , President Bush has proposed cutting the Enhancing Education Through Technology block-grant program--the primary source of federal funding for school technology--from the federal budget.

Once again you have stated something that you have no proof of other than your opinion. Maybe we should ask ridin' to open an opinion thread just for you. Or maybe you could post in conspiracy theories and start your own thread. Call it 'liberal consipracy theories', since its mostly your theories and all you can seem to talk about, in most of your posts. You can post there on every subject on DTT that you don't have a link to back up what you say. Then at the end of each conversation you wouldn't seem so discredited.

First of all, MoveOn.Org is a joke of a rag! Surely you can see that! Please tell me you know that! PUHLEEEEEZE tell me you're smart enough to see that!


And yes, there SHOULD be "proposed cuts" to NPR/PBS and EVERY OTHER FEDERALLY-FUNDED pork-barrel project. There should be NO sacred cows.

In addition, Federal Funds SHOULD be cut for NPR & PBS. They're incredibly rich organization that can float on their own. They're privately sponsored to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars per year. They both have ENORMOUS endowments that can more than cover their expenses. This is NOT some sacred cow that will die without federal money.