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Old 09-16-2005, 05:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Time to Impeach Bush is NOW!
This guy has a well worded, well written article on the subject...

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Old 09-16-2005, 05:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So far...read the first sentence which right away degraded his piece. Still reading...

I realize the United States has undergone a recent, meaningless, and unpopular impeachment of a sitting President in 1998.
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So far...read the first sentence which right away degraded his piece. Still reading...

I realize the United States has undergone a recent, meaningless, and unpopular impeachment of a sitting President in 1998.
I agree with your feelings here... Clinton was a piece of shit.
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Old 09-16-2005, 07:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I read this well written and thought out piece of work and well I do not believe he has made a case for impeachment. The Downing Street Memo although it may be a smoking gun (or at least close to one as we can get) has not been confirmed. First it was the minutes of the meeting, and then the reports changed to it being a memo written by someone in attendance at the meeting. The charge of fixing intelligence is highly questionable. In manner was the intelligence to be "fixed" ? Could that statement have meant that the intelligence important to the administration was only intelligence that supported the case for invasion. Or was to say that all intelligence should support invasion.

As far as Secretary Kofi Annan and his believe that the United States action was illegal, well what would one expect from the leader of an organization that allowed Saddam Hussein to violate 17 resolutions. All bark and no bite.

This whole deal with Joe Wilson and his wife, where do you start?? Karl Rove admitted to a reporter that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Does this action alone signify giving a secure leak. In order to violate a operatives cover, that operative must have been in the field within the past 5 years. Seeing as how Wilson's wife has sat a desk at the CIA since 1996 or 1997, one could seriously question whether she is an operative or not.

If all it takes for interrogation techniques to be called torture is to make ones live a little unfcomfortable, well open the jails because we are torturing anyone we are locking up. The use of sleep deprivation, loud music, place a prisoner in an uncomfortable position, allowing MWDs to patrol their areas and bark, the use of hoods, or the use of changing the temperature to extremes is not torture, but rather methods in which to break the resistance of someone. Prisoners were made uncomfortable, their lives were not put at risk, they did not risk the loss of limb or sight, and they did not undergo such techniques that would have caused the pain and the loss of consciousness. Instead their lives were made miserable for a few hours, days or weeks until such time that answered the questions of the interrogators.

It was definitely well written, it just lacked a little substance is all.

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Old 09-16-2005, 07:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I read this well written and thought out piece of work and well I do not believe he has made a case for impeachment. The Downing Street Memo although it may be a smoking gun (or at least close to one as we can get) has not been confirmed. First it was the minutes of the meeting, and then the reports changed to it being a memo written by someone in attendance at the meeting. The charge of fixing intelligence is highly questionable. In manner was the intelligence to be "fixed" ? Could that statement have meant that the intelligence important to the administration was only intelligence that supported the case for invasion. Or was to say that all intelligence should support invasion.

As far as Secretary Kofi Annan and his believe that the United States action was illegal, well what would one expect from the leader of an organization that allowed Saddam Hussein to violate 17 resolutions. All bark and no bite.

This whole deal with Joe Wilson and his wife, where do you start?? Karl Rove admitted to a reporter that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Does this action alone signify giving a secure leak. In order to violate a operatives cover, that operative must have been in the field within the past 5 years. Seeing as how Wilson's wife has sat a desk at the CIA since 1996 or 1997, one could seriously question whether she is an operative or not.

If all it takes for interrogation techniques to be called torture is to make ones live a little unfcomfortable, well open the jails because we are torturing anyone we are locking up. The use of sleep deprivation, loud music, place a prisoner in an uncomfortable position, allowing MWDs to patrol their areas and bark, the use of hoods, or the use of changing the temperature to extremes is not torture, but rather methods in which to break the resistance of someone. Prisoners were made uncomfortable, their lives were not put at risk, they did not risk the loss of limb or sight, and they did not undergo such techniques that would have caused the pain and the loss of consciousness. Instead their lives were made miserable for a few hours, days or weeks until such time that answered the questions of the interrogators.

It was definitely well written, it just lacked a little substance is all.

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Old 09-16-2005, 09:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I’m highly disappointed with this guy lately. He spends people’s money more than carter did and gives tax cuts. At least democrats have a way to pay for the crap they spend, raise taxes. I keep waiting for a fiscal conservative to come out but its just not happening. 200 billion to rebuilt a city below sea level right on the Gulf of Mexico? Unfreaking real. He is a closet liberal who likes war. Great. I voted for McCain; at least he would have had a plan to pay for these programs. Christ….
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I’m highly disappointed with this guy lately. He spends people’s money more than carter did and gives tax cuts. At least democrats have a way to pay for the crap they spend, raise taxes. I keep waiting for a fiscal conservative to come out but its just not happening. 200 billion to rebuilt a city below sea level right on the Gulf of Mexico? Unfreaking real. He is a closet liberal who likes war. Great. I voted for McCain; at least he would have had a plan to pay for these programs. Christ….
Yeah, no matter how you look at him, he's a fucking retard.
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Old 09-19-2005, 08:11 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Bush will not be impeached. I have read the online petitions, read the articles, and read the messageboards and all of the possible charges could not be proven.
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The reason liberals hate President Bush is that he is operating under the very theory of economics that they have for so long loved, Keynesian. He is spending more on social programs, raising a deficit, and guaranteeing monies to programs that were once the mainstream of liberal thought - prescription drugs and poverty. All of a sudden it is the liberals who are crying about how the system that they have embraced for so long is working.

The President is correct in his methods, he has refused to raise taxes, and to pay for the money that is being sent to New Orleans and the other areas of the Katrina disaster he wants budget cuts. Perhaps now the government will see how the rest of us have to get by, spending only the money we have in our wallets, or in our accounts, and not always thinking that the wallet is limitless.

As a conservative, I oppose the spending that is going on, however, the war in Iraq and the Katrina disaster are unforeseen consequence on the budget, and I understand the need for the spending. However, I still question the more than double that the President is spending on poverty programs as compared to President Clinton.

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The reason liberals hate President Bush is that he is operating under the very theory of economics that they have for so long loved, Keynesian. He is spending more on social programs, raising a deficit, and guaranteeing monies to programs that were once the mainstream of liberal thought - prescription drugs and poverty. All of a sudden it is the liberals who are crying about how the system that they have embraced for so long is working.

The President is correct in his methods, he has refused to raise taxes, and to pay for the money that is being sent to New Orleans and the other areas of the Katrina disaster he wants budget cuts. Perhaps now the government will see how the rest of us have to get by, spending only the money we have in our wallets, or in our accounts, and not always thinking that the wallet is limitless.

As a conservative, I oppose the spending that is going on, however, the war in Iraq and the Katrina disaster are unforeseen consequence on the budget, and I understand the need for the spending. However, I still question the more than double that the President is spending on poverty programs as compared to President Clinton.

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The War in Iraq is an unforseen expense?!!!! Unforseen to who?!!!! Point the person out because they should be hit on the head with a tack hammer for being a god damn idiot! I foresaw the war in Iraq as soon as 'W' took the oath of office.
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