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Budget and Taxes Do you feel that raising taxes will help solve the debt of the United States? Are you a fan of Reaganomics?

View Poll Results: Flat Tax
For it! 10 43.48%
Against it! 6 26.09%
Some other option for change 6 26.09%
Do not change our system 1 4.35%
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Old 03-29-2006, 09:17 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 03-30-2006, 01:42 AM   #32 (permalink)
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But everyone should pay some taxes even if it's just $1/yr, be it a token payment. Everyone should take part in taking care of our country.
Everyone does pay taxes. Just about every transaction that you make you pay taxes.
Old 03-30-2006, 05:18 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Everyone does pay taxes. Just about every transaction that you make you pay taxes.
Come now, when we talk about everyone paying taxes we are talking about the income tax. Don't cut corners like that. We are talking about a flat tax and a fair tax, which implies a change to the income tax.

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Old 03-30-2006, 06:46 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Come now, when we talk about everyone paying taxes we are talking about the income tax. Don't cut corners like that. We are talking about a flat tax and a fair tax, which implies a change to the income tax.
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A rather serious change.
Anybody know of any research on the issue regarding what tax values would be if a "flat tax" were imposed?
What tax values would be necessary to maintain the current level of national tax income?
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Come now, when we talk about everyone paying taxes we are talking about the income tax. Don't cut corners like that. We are talking about a flat tax and a fair tax, which implies a change to the income tax.
If you're talking about the federal "income tax", it's not a tax on all Americans. I've already posted about this anyway. You must have missed it...

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/sho...p?t=132&page=3 (FlatTax?)
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sgtdmski wrote:

If you're talking about the federal "income tax", it's not a tax on all Americans. I've already posted about this anyway. You must have missed it...

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/sho...p?t=132&page=3 (FlatTax?)

Then what are you talking about now then?
Are you refering to sales tax then?
All Americans don't pay that either,
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Anyway whatever your point was it was unclear
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Then what are you talking about now then?
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Everyone does pay taxes. Just about every transaction that you make you pay taxes.
Embedded in the price of every product that you buy are the taxes paid by the producer of that product. They are added as the cost of doing business. If the producer does not add up all of the costs of producing the product that he makes, including the taxes paid on the property, the inventory taxes that are paid, taxes to State and federal government, and etc., then he is only fooling himself as to the total costs of production. To the total cost, then, is added an amount for a profit. The consumers, then, pay all of these taxes when they purchase the product.
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flat tax, fair tax, whatever you want to call it, seems fair to me.
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flat tax, fair tax, whatever you want to call it, seems fair to me.


When there is such a class difference/struggle in this country I don't see how you can view it as fair.

We have far too many people that don't have enough and far too many people that have far too much.

A flat tax would only exacerbate and accelerate the social problems facing this country. I believe a flat tax system would increase crime as a result.
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I had posted:
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Embedded in the price of every product that you buy are the taxes paid by the producer of that product.
Here is an example, presented by Senator Borah from Idaho, in the Congressional Record, 26 July 1912:
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In 1898 a tax was put upon companies engaged in the business of refining sugar, refining oil, and manufacturing and selling tobacco. It is well known - no longer disputed - that that entire tax was passed on to the consumer, and one peculiar feature of the history of that matter is that after the tax was repealed the companies omitted to take off the extra charge which they had placed there by reason of the tax.
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