Defending the Truth

Naturally it doesn't state a specific wage and I find it insulting to be asked to find something like that to justify the pathetic minimum wage we have in this country.

That is insulting. We spend more and more money on poor because there are more and more poor. The problem isn't spending the money on them, the problem is preventing more and more people from becoming poor.

Just because some, old, run down house from the 50's has a pool or a car in front of it doesn't mean that those inside have enough money for food, health care, and all the other basic human needs.

That is bullshit. We have some of the lowest taxes in the free world yet we have some of the worst social problems as well. There is definitely a connection there.

That is because the top 10% are making over 90% of total wealth in this country.


Bullshit. Corporations have the obligation to society to pay it's workers, who are making their profit's for them, a wage that they can live off of.


The right to have a child is not self-gratifying. Reproduction is the right of every citizen. What our government should be doing is ensuring that someone could raise a child working a full time, minimum wage job. Not 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs. People aren't going to stop having children and it is juvinile to think this is ever going to stop. What we need to do as a society is provide security for those children.


We can't live in denial. We need to start dealing with our society's problems instead of doing nothing. Giving education a higher priority over military would certainly affect the drop out rates.


Sarge you have to realize that if you buy the more expensive soil for the base of society there will be higher initial costs, but lower longtime costs and a better yield.

It takes money to make money, and we need to do so for a stronger future for our citizens.

Enough of the top 10% getting all of this country's wealth!!!

Your right we cannot live in denial, nor can we continue to make excuses for people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. I am sorry, but the simple fact remains that the choices we make will dictate the lives we will live. It is not government's responsiblity to make sure you can afford to have a family, it is your own. Sex can lead to having a child, that is scientific fact, so before you engage in that activity you should make sure that you are in a position to have one. That is simple enough to understand. With rights come responsiblities, if you are not ready for the responsibilities than you clearly are not ready for the right.

For every action there is a consequence, that is why a person must take the time to think about his/her actions. I am sorry but if it feels good the mantra should not be just do it, but rather, can I accept what happens if I do it.

dmk

Right. It is not the responsibility of the government to make sure you can afford to have a family. It is the government's responsibility to make sure your employer is doing exactly that. With the minimum wage at what it is our government is simply failing, especially since no health care is provided for our citizens (how old fashioned can you get?!?). A flat tax will do nothing but exacerbate these problems.

Currently the top 10% earn about 90% of this country's wealth. Ludicrous!


Here we go with the denial again. NOTHING... and I mean NOTHING is going to stop the millions of years of procreation we have driving our existence, no matter how much we try to use religion to oppress it. Children will happen, not always to the best situation. So we as a society can either ignore this fact and provide nothing for them like we are doing. Or we can eliminate far worse future issues and provide assistance from birth to adulthood. This would solve larger social issues and ultimately cost us less in the long run and the resulting citizen would provide a better return for society.


This isn't a matter of how good anything feels. This is a matter of the reality of our society. For every non action there is an opportunity lost.

See there you go again. It is not government's responsibility to guarantee your pay, it is your responsibility to negotiate for what wages you will earn. That means that you should actually take the time to find out what you are good at, and what skills you have so that you can make those negotiations. If you are unwilling, then why should people who work hard to improve themselves, go to school, go to college, or develop there skills working on the job have to pay for you own laziness. Wealth is not a fixed body. America is the first country to ever have the phrase, make money. Wealth grows, the problem that the rich have more and the poor have less is thanks to our system of wealth redistribution through taxes. Our current welfare system, the one you says that helps to fight poverty, does not allow for savings and investing. In order to stay on the program and receive benefits, one cannot save to improve themselves. It seems to me that the government is actually keeping people poor.

Everyone who reviews the statistics on poverty makes the same conclusions. The statistics do not include handouts. Nowhere in the numbers for the people who are "living in poverty" are rents subsidies, food stamps, aid to dependent children included. Even in looking at the elderly, the figures do not adjust for the fact that many own their own homes and no longer have rent/mortgage payments. If I am saving $800 a month because I do not have a mortgage payment, I have that money to spend on other items. The numbers are a joke. Our definitions of poverty in this country are a joke. And the fact that people are unwilling to work hard but rather demand government give them a handout is a joke.

It is not the rich that are causing the problems, its the fact that the government needs to keep people poor so they can justify the need for the programs. Some 7 trillion dollars later, we have more people in poverty than when the Great Society began. It has been a dismal failure, the war on poverty!!!! Where's the exit strategy??? Iraq has been going on for 3 years, and everyone is demanding an exit strategy, well the war on poverty has been going on for 40 plus years. Get us out of that one, and before demanding the end to the war in Iraq.


Again, it is not I living in denial. I am 37 and have no children. Why?? Because I have made sure to be safe in having sex, and believe me, having spent 11 years in the Army I have had plenty of opportunity. Yet I found the way and the time to make sure that all my fun times were in the end safe. (see I ain't that ultra-conservative/ultra-religious fanatic)

People need to take responsibility for their own actions and quit making me pay for their irresponsibility. If society has a responsibility to people who seem to constantly act irresponsibly, then we also have the right to demand some sort of responsibility from them. They are a part of society as well, yet they fail to take any responsibility.

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Yes and for every action there is a reaction and a consequence. And this is where you lose your argument. It is not a matter of society's lack of action, but rather the lack of responsibility for their own actions. The Tuskegee Airman had a saying, "Straighten up and Fly Right." Well, its about time we demand at least that from them, instead of making excuses that keep them constantly poor.

dmk

A flat tax means everybody pays the same percentage like 20%. However, 20% of a $16,000 income is not the same as 20% of $120,000...... I'll let the great minds on this post figure that one out. A flat tax is not a sales tax.... However, some do want to exchange our present system for a sales tax only. Advantage: The more you buy, the more you pay in tax. And more money for the government. Disadvantage: The poor pay a bigger percentage of their salaries.... Also, the sales tax would have to be relatively high to replace our present income tax structure...... That makes it a lot harder on average families...... Simply put, there is NO fair tax system that benefits everybody at the same time...... Somebody always has to pay the piper.......

sgtdmski: That is a disgusting photo..... But I will defend your right to post it to the very end..... LOL I am a PROUD American...

What is so disgusting about his photo?

The government keeps people poor to justify social programs? I thought they kept people poor so they will do all the donkey work nobody else wants.....LOL

What is that in his mouth? And "you" look like a ghost....but at least you ain't disgusting..... Lord, I'm gonna pee myself if I keep this up......

sgtdmski: I don't want you to think I am picking on you....because I only want to debate..... What do you propose when greedy Americans do their utmost to pay the least possible by outsourcing jobs, hiring illegal aliens, and paying Americans as little as possible while not offering benefits if they can get away with it?..... How can you support a family if somebody will work for much less than it takes one person/couple to survive?..... You seem to be almost a pure capitalist.....but without some protection for the poor and lower classes, most will live in h*ll. How would YOU like to live in a pure capitalist system with no unemployment insurance, workers' compensation, or any kind of social security? Way too many workers do not have health insurance now..... Not everybody starts on or can keep up with a level playing field. For whatever reason, there will always be people on the bottom whether they deserve it or not. ................. I still don't like that photo....and what IS in your mouth? LOL