Defending the Truth

hevusa · 08-02-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

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Originally Posted by hevusa

People who are poor do not have this advantage people. We need to take care of everyone. Everyone deserves to be secure after working a lifetime. We are only as strong as our weakest link.

Whereas I agree with you, I also think that if you are dirt poor at the age of retirement, it is your own fault. Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

My mother is a fine example of this, she's dirt fucking poor and living in barely livable conditions right now. Her sole source of income besides SS is me. Because she did not prepare for her future. I grew up poor and without healthcare, but she could have put some money awy for herself. It would not have taken much to make a huge difference, but she did not prepare, and now she's suffering for it. I give her what I can, and I make sure she is fed, but I also told her that I am not about to ruin my credit or dig a financial hole for myself to save her. She's old, her life is over, I will not allow myself to lose my financial footing, I will not be dependant on my kids. And I will not be dependant on the governement, other than for my military retirement pay.

People who are dirt poor will have a very hard time putting anything away. Which is why it would make sense to have a tax rate applied to everyone to take care of everyone. It benefits all of us as a whole to take care of each other. Our streets would be safer and it would cost us all less in the long run.

tadpole256 · 08-02-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

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Originally Posted by hevusa

People who are poor do not have this advantage people. We need to take care of everyone. Everyone deserves to be secure after working a lifetime. We are only as strong as our weakest link.

Whereas I agree with you, I also think that if you are dirt poor at the age of retirement, it is your own fault. Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

My mother is a fine example of this, she's dirt fucking poor and living in barely livable conditions right now. Her sole source of income besides SS is me. Because she did not prepare for her future. I grew up poor and without healthcare, but she could have put some money awy for herself. It would not have taken much to make a huge difference, but she did not prepare, and now she's suffering for it. I give her what I can, and I make sure she is fed, but I also told her that I am not about to ruin my credit or dig a financial hole for myself to save her. She's old, her life is over, I will not allow myself to lose my financial footing, I will not be dependant on my kids. And I will not be dependant on the governement, other than for my military retirement pay.

People who are dirt poor will have a very hard time putting anything away. Which is why it would make sense to have a tax rate applied to everyone to take care of everyone. It benefits all of us as a whole to take care of each other. Our streets would be safer and it would cost us all less in the long run.

I understand what you are saying, but I am saying that people in this country don't know how to do without. There are a lot of 'poor' people in this country, who have things they simply don't need, and that is money they could be saving. Nearly everyone has cable. Un-needed. T.V., not needed, Video Games, not needed... But go to the projects, they are everywhere.

sgtdmski · 08-03-2005, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

People who are dirt poor will have a very hard time putting anything away. Which is why it would make sense to have a tax rate applied to everyone to take care of everyone. It benefits all of us as a whole to take care of each other. Our streets would be safer and it would cost us all less in the long run.

That is a load of crock. From 1962 to 1972 government spending if the 28 largest cities increased 198 percent. By 1980 we were spending some 21 billion dollars a year, and during that time what happened?? Crime rose, out of wedlock birthrates rose, and prison populations rose. As a result, we spent even more money on social programs, criminal justices, prisons, and healthcare. The liberals got us into the War on Poverty in the 1960's don't you think it is about time you come up with an exit strategy? Spending more tax money has not solved the problem. Raising taxes has not solved the problem. You have had 40 years, and yet still no new ideas other than spending more money or raising taxes. Talk about closeminded....

dmk

tadpole256 · 08-03-2005, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

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Originally Posted by hevusa

People who are dirt poor will have a very hard time putting anything away. Which is why it would make sense to have a tax rate applied to everyone to take care of everyone. It benefits all of us as a whole to take care of each other. Our streets would be safer and it would cost us all less in the long run.

That is a load of crock. From 1962 to 1972 government spending if the 28 largest cities increased 198 percent. By 1980 we were spending some 21 billion dollars a year, and during that time what happened?? Crime rose, out of wedlock birthrates rose, and prison populations rose. As a result, we spent even more money on social programs, criminal justices, prisons, and healthcare. The liberals got us into the War on Poverty in the 1960's don't you think it is about time you come up with an exit strategy? Spending more tax money has not solved the problem. Raising taxes has not solved the problem. You have had 40 years, and yet still no new ideas other than spending more money or raising taxes. Talk about closeminded....

dmk

Why are 'out of wedlock' births always looked at as a bad thing?

hevusa · 08-03-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

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Originally Posted by hevusa

People who are dirt poor will have a very hard time putting anything away. Which is why it would make sense to have a tax rate applied to everyone to take care of everyone. It benefits all of us as a whole to take care of each other. Our streets would be safer and it would cost us all less in the long run.

That is a load of crock. From 1962 to 1972 government spending if the 28 largest cities increased 198 percent. By 1980 we were spending some 21 billion dollars a year, and during that time what happened?? Crime rose, out of wedlock birthrates rose, and prison populations rose. As a result, we spent even more money on social programs, criminal justices, prisons, and healthcare. The liberals got us into the War on Poverty in the 1960's don't you think it is about time you come up with an exit strategy? Spending more tax money has not solved the problem. Raising taxes has not solved the problem. You have had 40 years, and yet still no new ideas other than spending more money or raising taxes. Talk about closeminded....

dmk

Not a crock of shit considering populations of those 28 cities probably increased by 198% or more during that time. They are not getting enough help man! Schools are literally falling apart in our nations capitol.

http://www.dcfordemocracy.org/index.pl/dcps

We are only as strong as our weakest link.

tadpole256 · 08-03-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

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Originally Posted by hevusa

People who are dirt poor will have a very hard time putting anything away. Which is why it would make sense to have a tax rate applied to everyone to take care of everyone. It benefits all of us as a whole to take care of each other. Our streets would be safer and it would cost us all less in the long run.

That is a load of crock. From 1962 to 1972 government spending if the 28 largest cities increased 198 percent. By 1980 we were spending some 21 billion dollars a year, and during that time what happened?? Crime rose, out of wedlock birthrates rose, and prison populations rose. As a result, we spent even more money on social programs, criminal justices, prisons, and healthcare. The liberals got us into the War on Poverty in the 1960's don't you think it is about time you come up with an exit strategy? Spending more tax money has not solved the problem. Raising taxes has not solved the problem. You have had 40 years, and yet still no new ideas other than spending more money or raising taxes. Talk about closeminded....

dmk

Not a crock of shit considering populations of those 28 cities probably increased by 198% or more during that time. They are not getting enough help man! Schools are literally falling apart in our nations capitol.

http://www.dcfordemocracy.org/index.pl/dcps

We are only as strong as our weakest link.

It's true, public schools in every major city in America are struggling, and yet we do nothing to fix that. If we shaved a mere 20 billion dollars off the defense budget, we'd be able to provide a world class education to all of our students, but the republicans care more about keeping the poor, poor and uneducated so that they can march us off to war and keep their kids out of harms way.

hevusa · 08-03-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

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Originally Posted by hevusa

People who are dirt poor will have a very hard time putting anything away. Which is why it would make sense to have a tax rate applied to everyone to take care of everyone. It benefits all of us as a whole to take care of each other. Our streets would be safer and it would cost us all less in the long run.

That is a load of crock. From 1962 to 1972 government spending if the 28 largest cities increased 198 percent. By 1980 we were spending some 21 billion dollars a year, and during that time what happened?? Crime rose, out of wedlock birthrates rose, and prison populations rose. As a result, we spent even more money on social programs, criminal justices, prisons, and healthcare. The liberals got us into the War on Poverty in the 1960's don't you think it is about time you come up with an exit strategy? Spending more tax money has not solved the problem. Raising taxes has not solved the problem. You have had 40 years, and yet still no new ideas other than spending more money or raising taxes. Talk about closeminded....

dmk

Not a crock of shit considering populations of those 28 cities probably increased by 198% or more during that time. They are not getting enough help man! Schools are literally falling apart in our nations capitol.

http://www.dcfordemocracy.org/index.pl/dcps

We are only as strong as our weakest link.

It's true, public schools in every major city in America are struggling, and yet we do nothing to fix that. If we shaved a mere 20 billion dollars off the defense budget, we'd be able to provide a world class education to all of our students, but the republicans care more about keeping the poor, poor and uneducated so that they can march us off to war and keep their kids out of harms way.

Backdoor draft in effect. It is a sad country we live in when where you are born puts people at such a disadvantage.

prescott911 · 08-03-2005, 02:04 PM

if idiotic kids dont wanna learn and they just wanna party then how is anyone gonna be able to change that?? parents cant change it and the government wont be able to either, atleast not thru legal methods.

Nebraskaboy · 08-03-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

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Originally Posted by hevusa

People who are dirt poor will have a very hard time putting anything away. Which is why it would make sense to have a tax rate applied to everyone to take care of everyone. It benefits all of us as a whole to take care of each other. Our streets would be safer and it would cost us all less in the long run.

That is a load of crock. From 1962 to 1972 government spending if the 28 largest cities increased 198 percent. By 1980 we were spending some 21 billion dollars a year, and during that time what happened?? Crime rose, out of wedlock birthrates rose, and prison populations rose. As a result, we spent even more money on social programs, criminal justices, prisons, and healthcare. The liberals got us into the War on Poverty in the 1960's don't you think it is about time you come up with an exit strategy? Spending more tax money has not solved the problem. Raising taxes has not solved the problem. You have had 40 years, and yet still no new ideas other than spending more money or raising taxes. Talk about closeminded....

dmk

Not a crock of shit considering populations of those 28 cities probably increased by 198% or more during that time. They are not getting enough help man! Schools are literally falling apart in our nations capitol.

http://www.dcfordemocracy.org/index.pl/dcps

We are only as strong as our weakest link.

It's true, public schools in every major city in America are struggling, and yet we do nothing to fix that. If we shaved a mere 20 billion dollars off the defense budget, we'd be able to provide a world class education to all of our students, but the republicans care more about keeping the poor, poor and uneducated so that they can march us off to war and keep their kids out of harms way.

Backdoor draft in effect. It is a sad country we live in when where you are born puts people at such a disadvantage.

I don't believe that, you can make something out of yourself if you want it bad enough.

prescott911 · 08-03-2005, 03:31 PM

the army really isnt that bad. not all army personnel fights, plenty have desk jobs. only a small percentage actually gets to and has to fight. so people would kill to have jobs that pay as much as the army and some people do. get it??

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