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Big Government or Small Government?

Budget and Taxes Do you feel that raising taxes will help solve the debt of the United States? Are you a fan of Reaganomics?

View Poll Results: Big Government or Small Government?
Increased Government Spending with Tax Increase 3 15.79%
Reduced Spending with Tax Cut 11 57.89%
Reduced Without Tax Cut 5 26.32%
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Old 04-17-2005, 02:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Socialism - a government in which the means of planning, producing, and distributing goods is controlled by a central government that theoretically seeks a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor; in actuality, most socialist governments have ended up being no more than dictatorships over workers by a ruling elite.
Yeah,socialism sounds like a much better idea(a little sarcasm for the irony impaired)
hevusa,you say you are a small business owner.Under socialism you would not be allowed to own and run your own business.It sounds to me like you are enjoying the fruits of your own labor and then saying that you cannot stand the system that allows you to do this.A little double standard here?You want to live in a socialist country?Move to North Korea and enjoy all the benefits of your preferred ideology.

What a bunch of bullshit. I have lived under a socialist government where my father ran his own business.
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According to the definition posted,the central government controls planning,producing and distributing good.Where in that does it leave room for private ownership?
Care to tell us where your fathers business was?
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According to the definition posted,the central government controls planning,producing and distributing good.Where in that does it leave room for private ownership?
Care to tell us where your fathers business was?

My father's business was selling American sports apparel. Like pro sports team jerseys and the like. It was big for a while in the early 90's.

You are taking that description too literally. Visit a Scandinavian country. They have more freedoms than we do.
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According to the definition posted,the central government controls planning,producing and distributing good.Where in that does it leave room for private ownership?
Care to tell us where your fathers business was?

My father's business was selling American sports apparel. Like pro sports team jerseys and the like. It was big for a while in the early 90's.

You are taking that description too literally. Visit a Scandinavian country. They have more freedoms than we do.
I asked where not what.I am going to venture a guess and say Sweden.Thats where I think you said you lived once.They are not socialist,the government there is a constitutional monarchy.They enjoy a very healthy western style of capitalism.If you want socialism,try North Korea,seems to be working wonderfully over there.
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According to the definition posted,the central government controls planning,producing and distributing good.Where in that does it leave room for private ownership?
Care to tell us where your fathers business was?

My father's business was selling American sports apparel. Like pro sports team jerseys and the like. It was big for a while in the early 90's.

You are taking that description too literally. Visit a Scandinavian country. They have more freedoms than we do.
I asked where not what.I am going to venture a guess and say Sweden.Thats where I think you said you lived once.They are not socialist,the government there is a constitutional monarchy.They enjoy a very healthy western style of capitalism.If you want socialism,try North Korea,seems to be working wonderfully over there.

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Google Minarchism.
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According to the definition posted,the central government controls planning,producing and distributing good.Where in that does it leave room for private ownership?
Care to tell us where your fathers business was?

My father's business was selling American sports apparel. Like pro sports team jerseys and the like. It was big for a while in the early 90's.

You are taking that description too literally. Visit a Scandinavian country. They have more freedoms than we do.
I asked where not what.I am going to venture a guess and say Sweden.Thats where I think you said you lived once.They are not socialist,the government there is a constitutional monarchy.They enjoy a very healthy western style of capitalism.If you want socialism,try North Korea,seems to be working wonderfully over there.

I think Forbes knows a little more than you do about Swedish socialism

http://www.forbes.com/global/2001/0319/034.html

Here is a little quote: "Cradle-to-grave security is the rule in Sweden, and has been since the early 1950s (the country went socialist in 1932)"

You've got balls for questioning someone who has lived there... unfortunately that is all you got.

But yes, Sweden has become more and more capitalist because of the EU and the need to adapt to a new world economy. People are still very much looked after however. Something America could learn from.

Another quote: "The Social Democrat party (socialist), and its leader, Prime Minister Persson, easily won the Sept. 2002 elections. The center-left Social Democrats have run the government for six out of the last seven decades." http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108008.html
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I read it... I don't think forbes sounds that enthusiatic about Swedish socialism... Did I read the right article??

"Go on the dole in Sweden, for example, and you can get 80% of your last job's pay for at least five years." - Purely unjust

"Like to fish? The government will put you in a twelve-month program to learn how to be a fishing guide. Health care is free. So is education. Hence those obscenely high taxes." - What would the benefits of such things be?

" Sweden is not a capitalistic heaven on earth, but it's not the hell on earth for entrepreneurs that it was until a few years ago. "

"By the 1970s, the Swedish media were presenting anyone who started a business as someone who was using the people," he says. "Entrepreneurs were pariahs. So lots of entrepreneurs left. The government's view was, ‘Let them go, we don't need them here.'" - Unbiased Media B.S.

With entrepreneurs like Hult fleeing, the economy began going down the tubes. Growth slowed, and inflation rose. State spending and debt soared. Private-sector jobs began to disappear. - In other words - the Swedish economy sucks.
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I read it... I don't think forbes sounds that enthusiatic about Swedish socialism... Did I read the right article??

"Go on the dole in Sweden, for example, and you can get 80% of your last job's pay for at least five years." - Purely unjust

"Like to fish? The government will put you in a twelve-month program to learn how to be a fishing guide. Health care is free. So is education. Hence those obscenely high taxes." - What would the benefits of such things be?

" Sweden is not a capitalistic heaven on earth, but it's not the hell on earth for entrepreneurs that it was until a few years ago. "

"By the 1970s, the Swedish media were presenting anyone who started a business as someone who was using the people," he says. "Entrepreneurs were pariahs. So lots of entrepreneurs left. The government's view was, ‘Let them go, we don't need them here.'" - Unbiased Media B.S.

With entrepreneurs like Hult fleeing, the economy began going down the tubes. Growth slowed, and inflation rose. State spending and debt soared. Private-sector jobs began to disappear. - In other words - the Swedish economy sucks.
Yes, there will be drawbacks when all the people of a country have "Cradle-to-grave security".

Economies move in cycles... our economy isn't so hot over here either. The difference is we have shit for security. And BOY does it show.
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