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Budget and Taxes Do you feel that raising taxes will help solve the debt of the United States? Are you a fan of Reaganomics?

View Poll Results: What Tax Reform would you propose?
Fair Tax System 4 44.44%
Flat Tax 1 11.11%
Land-Value Tax 1 11.11%
Simplified Graduated Income Tax 2 22.22%
Head Tax 0 0%
Other? 1 11.11%
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Old 02-01-2007, 05:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I believe that if you took the number of residents, and the number of actual "properties" in NYC, there would always be a HUGE discrepency between land-owners and non-land-owners. It's not unusual for one property to house 1000 residents. Why should that one land-owner be stuck with all the taxes for the other 999 residents?
The counter question is this: Why should this one landlord be allowed to collect the land rent from the 999 tenents? Did the landlord create the land? Why should he be allowed to collect this rent for himself? (Notice that I'm not talking about rent from building use.)
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ah, I get it.

I don't like it.

It's too communistic for me LOL
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Old 02-02-2007, 08:11 AM   #13 (permalink)
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ah, I get it.

I don't like it.

It's too communistic for me LOL
Sounds like good logic to me!
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The counter question is this: Why should this one landlord be allowed to collect the land rent from the 999 tenents? Did the landlord create the land? Why should he be allowed to collect this rent for himself? (Notice that I'm not talking about rent from building use.)

He shouldn't!
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He shouldn't!
Thank you. My point exactly. It would better if the land rent instead went back to the people in the community that created the demand (and thus the rent) and/or went to pay the taxes. Any land rent collection taken from the landlord is better than allowing it to accrue to that landlord.
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I'm glad Ronald Reagan's quote in my signature was of some interest to you, Trevor.

I can't stress this enough! "The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend, not on what we earn."
FairTax.org - About the FairTax

To me, that is 100% fair! I bet more students would be able to afford college tuition. It would probably be cheaper for students if they are not taxed on their income, hence giving them more money to spend on good things such as an education. Upon graduation, they get a good job, make good money, and if they choose to buy luxuries, well then that's money towards the govt. Other than that, money earned is money earned.
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It would be regionally based. States would be "commonwealths" again.
There are already 4 commonwealths....
KY, MA, PA, VA
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That's not what I mean. I mean wealth from the commons would be enjoyed by the common man. In other words, land is fundamentally a commons (no one has more of a right to a given chunk than anyone else) and thus the wealth affixing itself should be shared by those who create it. Now, you and I don't create land wealth (economic rent) in, say, Japan, but we do create land wealth in our local regions - a wealth we have a right to.
So would you apply that rule to farm ground, used for agricultural purposes? Because if you would, you're talking pure communisms - and that has been repeatedly proven NOT to work.
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There are already 4 commonwealths....
KY, MA, PA, VA
Yep. PA uses the very land tax I'm recommending.

The other states have used it to varying degrees in the past. MA is presently working on a proposal to reinstitute it.

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So would you apply that rule to farm ground, used for agricultural purposes? Because if you would, you're talking pure communisms - and that has been repeatedly proven NOT to work.


Sure the land tax would apply to farms. BUT since it's based on a % of the value and NOT on acreage the farms would pay the smallest of all taxes.

Yes, communism does not work. This is not communism. Marx was quite the critic of land tax system. Here's a critical letter he wrote about one of the biggest land tax supporters/philosophers, Mr. Henry George. http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/marx_henrygeorge.html


Also, here's a nice article on the difference between COLLECTIVE rights (communism, socialism, etc.) vs. COMMON rights (The foundation of the philosophy behind the land tax system): http://geolib.com/sullivan.dan/commonrights.html


Don't confuse Land Tax with communism. The biggest Land Tax advocates have been the biggest supporters of capitalism. They include Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Milton Friedman, and many other non-economist including Tom Pain, Thomas Jefferson, and Winston Churchill. Sadly, most people don't know of this rich heritage.
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