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Budget and Taxes Do you feel that raising taxes will help solve the debt of the United States? Are you a fan of Reaganomics?

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Old 05-24-2007, 06:34 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Come on people. Back to the question. I have already predicted that I would not get a serious answer from this bunch but you can do better than this.
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Old 05-24-2007, 06:40 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Come on people. Back to the question. I have already predicted that I would not get a serious answer from this bunch but you can do better than this.
Who would be foolish enough to try and give you a serious answer? What, so you can argue it with only your warped opinion again?
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:40 PM   #33 (permalink)
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He won't take any answer....he will wait until someone tries, sees that they have a point and then call them a name and berate what they write. What do you expect. Most of his post are meaningless, and once the name calling begins, you know he has been beaten. What else can you do when your argument has been demolished than throw a temper tantrum, call some one a name and act like you won.

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Old 05-27-2007, 10:44 PM   #34 (permalink)
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yeah, that old logic "welfare doesn't work because there's still poor people"... there will ALWAYS be poor people, no matter what. poor people don't choose to be poor. if i had a choice between having a job and spending money and having a roof over my head and sleeping on the streets and being hungry, i'd pick the first one every day and twice on sunday. it's just basic logic... some people will always be "at the bottom."

personally, i'd rather my tax money go to buy some school lunches for inner city kids than to fund an illegal war and "reconstruction" of some foreign country. you know what? screw them! we got problems in THIS country and we can't afford to continue to p!ss away money on this stupid Iraq sinkhole. for the kind of money the US spends on iraq we could, i don't know, SECURE OUR BORDERS, for example? even a die-hard republican could agree with that.
The welfare system is broken. That is why there are poor people. Welfare should be a hand up to people, not a hand out. So tell me, why should somebody get a job to get off welfare if they will make less money working than they will if they are on welfare. It is simple common sense!!! THEY WON'T. Until we revamp the system to make it what it should be a hand up people will continue to take the hand outs.

My original idea premise still remains then unchallenged by either you or others, you pay for the poverty and we will pay for the war. That way your money is going where you want it to go, and ours is doing the same.

While I would love to see our borders secure, there are no politicians that are willing to have the courage to do just this right now. All we hear about is amnesty, amnesty, amnesty.

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Old 05-28-2007, 12:08 AM   #35 (permalink)
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that's great in theory, but... IRAQ WAS NEVER THE ENEMY!!!!


we MADE them the enemy by destroying their infrastructure which prevented sectarian violence and the infiltration of terror groups!

"kill them all and let god sort it out" is barbaric and short-sighted at best.
Sorry but their infrastructure was destroyed from Desert Storm in 1992. Our engineers in Iraq today have restored more than was available prior to the invasion.

Kill 'em all and let God sort them out may be short-sighted and barbaric, but it is a strategy that assisted in the victory the allies gained during WWII. We bombed Germany to oblivion, then using the Marshall Plan we rebuilt West Germany after the division of Germany among the allies. Not to mention, Italy, France, and England. Seems to me that the strategy worked pretty well.

When you hamper the soldiers with needless rule of engagement, this leads to unnecessary deaths. When you have an enemy that has no problem using civilians as shields, you face a tough decision, sacrifice our fighting men and women to prevent needless civilian casualties, or accept the fact that their may be civilian casualties and destroy the enemy. Which method is right depends on you goal. I believe our goal should be destroying those who wish to see the Iraqi Democracy fail.

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Great, another chat room soldier spewing BS. I was a CIA agent myself but George Bush outted me.
You know what, I could care less what you are or were. It really doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned you are nothing or nobody. You lose the debate and resort to name calling. That is all you do, you show how empty your rhetoric is and how shallow you yourself truly are. Everytime you resort to the name calling I smile, for I see you have lost and have nothing left to offer and know that you yourself do not even know it.

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WE, the American people are being stuck with the bill. That is how we are paying for it.

And BOY are we paying for it and will continue to do so long after the war is over.
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Old 06-09-2007, 07:52 AM   #38 (permalink)
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You know what Hev,

We paid for WWII long after it was over. We paid for Korea, Vietnam and even the Cold War. But ultimately we paid for it. Like it or not, sometimes we have to pay for things we do not like, nor do we agree with. It is part of being a citizen. Sometimes you may not like the decisions government makes, yet you must live with them. Your only other options is to leave.

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Old 06-09-2007, 08:03 AM   #39 (permalink)
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WE, the American people are being stuck with the bill. That is how we are paying for it.

And BOY are we paying for it and will continue to do so long after the war is over.
I agree with you, but this is too general. I was looking for real answers. Who should pay for the Iraq War? Let's look at some examples. What about a 15% across the board tax increase until the Iraq War is paid for? What about a corporate tax and how much? What about cutting benefits for Americans, and what do we cut? Maybe as we always do increase taxes on the middle class, from what pay range to what pay range?
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Money goes into the general fund, and comes out of the general fund. That's how the debts are paid.




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