Defending the Truth

Dylan · 10-10-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

I agree. Minimum wage is the one of the greatest con games the dems ever invented. Every union has a built in clause that states their wages automatically go up when the minimum wage does. Who gives to dems? Unions. Who is always screaming for a higher minimum wage? Dems. Dems are not for the common man. Every time the minimum wage goes up, the common man has to pay more for a burger at lunch. That doesn't help me. All I get out of it is some kid who can't make change for a 5 unless a machine tells him and has pimples oozing pus and handling my food.

I was pointing out that comparing the growing population of the United States and an increase in the number of jobs is fallacious, since most of the increase is in births, and babies can't enter the workforce.

I think the minimum wage is well intentioned, but its purpose is outdated.

A rise in the minimum wage won't actually signifigantly impact the price of goods, but it might limit the number of people working at an establishment, leading to layoffs and overburdened staff. The mimimum wage is more of a burden on small business than anything else, and although big business might abuse the opportunity, I don't believe in limiting growth. If workers want higher wages, they can negotiate for them. I see no reason for the federal government to get involved.

tyreay · 10-10-2006, 10:35 PM

Speaking of the minimum wage, recently a bill was introduced that would increase it. It was shot down. Right after that the politicians gave themseves a huge wage increase (voted on by both major parties).
As for the increase in population, this includes a fair percentage of legal immigrants, that do work, not to mention the large number of people who became of legal age to work, during this time period. The numbers speak for themselves.

tadpole256 · 10-11-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tyreay

51,000 jobs is not a big increase. Our county's population has grown in one month by 235,636! Do the math.
U.S. POPClock Projection

C'mon Ty... let the Republicans have some fun slapping each other on the back... They need to prove to themselves that this president has done something positive. They know deep inside that all he has done is to severely harm the freedoms and liberties of all Americans. And at what cost? The Lives of a few thousand soldiers, sailors airmen & Marines? Ha! What a paltry price to pay. Afterall, only about a half dozen of them were close personal friends of mine... So let them continue to surrender their freedom, and drive their SUVs.

alias · 10-11-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

I was pointing out that comparing the growing population of the United States and an increase in the number of jobs is fallacious, since most of the increase is in births, and babies can't enter the workforce.

I think the minimum wage is well intentioned, but its purpose is outdated.

A rise in the minimum wage won't actually signifigantly impact the price of goods, but it might limit the number of people working at an establishment, leading to layoffs and overburdened staff. The mimimum wage is more of a burden on small business than anything else, and although big business might abuse the opportunity, I don't believe in limiting growth. If workers want higher wages, they can negotiate for them. I see no reason for the federal government to get involved.

I agree totally. You are right on. Exactly. Bullseye. If you want it, earn it.

tadpole256 · 10-11-2006, 03:25 PM

I beleive a rise in the minimum wage will only serve to hurt Americans overall. It de-values the dollar, and makes labor even more expensive, giving even more reason to outsource.

Steven M · 10-11-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

I think the minimum wage is well intentioned, but its purpose is outdated.

A rise in the minimum wage won't actually signifigantly impact the price of goods, but it might limit the number of people working at an establishment, leading to layoffs and overburdened staff. The mimimum wage is more of a burden on small business than anything else, and although big business might abuse the opportunity, I don't believe in limiting growth. If workers want higher wages, they can negotiate for them. I see no reason for the federal government to get involved.

Well said!

hevusa · 10-13-2006, 10:00 PM

Our unemployment is no where near 4.6%. Enron like stats.

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sgtdmski · 10-13-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tyreay

51,000 jobs is not a big increase. Our county's population has grown in one month by 235,636! Do the math.
U.S. POPClock Projection

And how many of those individuals are ready to go to work today?????

Come now, for the most part it will take many of these individuals at least 16 years before they are able to get a job. Facts have meanings, sometimes they are hard to over come aren't they. Nice try and trying to use the facts that you failed to understand. Better luck next time!!!!!

dmk

tyreay · 10-13-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

And how many of those individuals are ready to go to work today?????

Come now, for the most part it will take many of these individuals at least 16 years before they are able to get a job. Facts have meanings, sometimes they are hard to over come aren't they. Nice try and trying to use the facts that you failed to understand. Better luck next time!!!!!

dmk

Here is my response, stated above.

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Originally Posted by tyreay

As for the increase in population, this includes a fair percentage of legal immigrants, that do work, not to mention the large number of people who became of legal age to work, during this time period. The numbers speak for themselves.