Defending the Truth
Articles | Interviews | Politicians | Groups | Arcade | Experience | Donate
  Defending the Truth > Other Topics of Discussion > Business and Industries

Business and Industries Discuss things going on in the corporate world, individual companies and corporate practices.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-29-2006, 02:18 AM   #51 (permalink)
The Man You Love to Hate
Premium Member
 
sgtdmski's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ketchikan, AK
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,854
Country:
Points: 7,226, Level: 56
Points: 7,226, Level: 56 Points: 7,226, Level: 56 Points: 7,226, Level: 56
Level up: 38%, 124 Points needed
Level up: 38% Level up: 38% Level up: 38%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via MSN to sgtdmski Send a message via Yahoo to sgtdmski
sgtdmski is offline
Reply With Quote
 
We will see what happens to the economy following the budgets that are passed by the Congress. BTW why shouldn't we blame the Democrats (if they win the House in November) for a change in the economy if it happens. It is the same thing the Democrats and media did when Bush took office in 2001. One week after taking the oath, we begun to see a downturn in the economy and it was Bush's fault, even though he had yet to enact a single policy. BTW it was Clinton's budget we were operating on at the time. Seems that the Democrats and Media forgot that one. Turn around is fair play.

dmk
Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles
-Russell Kirk-
Sponsored Links
Old 10-29-2006, 05:55 AM   #52 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
tyreay's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: RI
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
Country:
Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Level up: 63%, 185 Points needed
Level up: 63% Level up: 63% Level up: 63%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via Yahoo to tyreay
tyreay is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtdmski View Post
We will see what happens to the economy following the budgets that are passed by the Congress. BTW why shouldn't we blame the Democrats (if they win the House in November) for a change in the economy if it happens. It is the same thing the Democrats and media did when Bush took office in 2001. One week after taking the oath, we begun to see a downturn in the economy and it was Bush's fault, even though he had yet to enact a single policy. BTW it was Clinton's budget we were operating on at the time. Seems that the Democrats and Media forgot that one. Turn around is fair play.

dmk
I guess you didn't get the significance of the following statement.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyreay
It was announced yesterday that the economy's growth has now been down graded to 1.3%. Acorrding to the experts this is no longer keeping up with the rest of the numbers.
This means that the economy is already taking that downward turn as 1.3% doesn't keep up with the National debt or the Deficit.
In addition, you are talking about a change of Presidents, when Bush took over. Bush will still be the President. There is a big difference!
Please take the time to check out the link. You'll find it interesting.
PPI: Bush vs. Clinton: An Economic Performance Index by Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville

Last edited by tyreay; 10-29-2006 at 06:10 AM. Reason: added link
Old 10-29-2006, 09:51 AM   #53 (permalink)
Banned
 
alias's Avatar
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wild Wild West
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,659
Points: 26,006, Level: 96
Points: 26,006, Level: 96 Points: 26,006, Level: 96 Points: 26,006, Level: 96
Level up: 66%, 344 Points needed
Level up: 66% Level up: 66% Level up: 66%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
alias is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyreay View Post
Evidently you haven't read a thing I said, in past posts, on this thread, concerning unemployment.
Getting harder my ass. Only in your fantasy world. I've been in three states inthe last week and everywhere I go the Republican's campaign signs don't even have the word Republican on them. Even they know Bush is screwing up. We'll see how the rest of the country feels about it on Nov. 7th. I'm going to laugh when you blame the economy's upcoming failure on the Democrats.
Are you predicting doom and gloom? If Bush is going to be responsible for the upcoming failure of the economy, then you have to give Bush credit for a booming economy after a devastating attack leading to a very expensive war and the Katrina disaster. That's a pretty good trick in my book.
Old 10-29-2006, 10:27 AM   #54 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
tyreay's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: RI
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
Country:
Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Level up: 63%, 185 Points needed
Level up: 63% Level up: 63% Level up: 63%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via Yahoo to tyreay
tyreay is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alias View Post
Are you predicting doom and gloom? If Bush is going to be responsible for the upcoming failure of the economy, then you have to give Bush credit for a booming economy after a devastating attack leading to a very expensive war and the Katrina disaster. That's a pretty good trick in my book.
Go look at the link, please.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville
Old 10-30-2006, 01:58 AM   #55 (permalink)
The Man You Love to Hate
Premium Member
 
sgtdmski's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ketchikan, AK
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,854
Country:
Points: 7,226, Level: 56
Points: 7,226, Level: 56 Points: 7,226, Level: 56 Points: 7,226, Level: 56
Level up: 38%, 124 Points needed
Level up: 38% Level up: 38% Level up: 38%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via MSN to sgtdmski Send a message via Yahoo to sgtdmski
sgtdmski is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyreay View Post
I guess you didn't get the significance of the following statement.

This means that the economy is already taking that downward turn as 1.3% doesn't keep up with the National debt or the Deficit.
In addition, you are talking about a change of Presidents, when Bush took over. Bush will still be the President. There is a big difference!
Please take the time to check out the link. You'll find it interesting.
PPI: Bush vs. Clinton: An Economic Performance Index by Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto

I checked out the link, and unfortunately, its numbers are over 2 years old. Not too mention subjective according to the authors. I mean come on a report from the Progressive Policy Institute. And I did get the significance of the economy growing by 1.3%. The economy grew that is the important fact, sustained growth yet again. Regardless of how large the growth was, it still grew.

dmk
Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles
-Russell Kirk-
Old 10-30-2006, 07:37 AM   #56 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
tyreay's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: RI
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
Country:
Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Level up: 63%, 185 Points needed
Level up: 63% Level up: 63% Level up: 63%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via Yahoo to tyreay
tyreay is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtdmski View Post
I checked out the link, and unfortunately, its numbers are over 2 years old. Not too mention subjective according to the authors. I mean come on a report from the Progressive Policy Institute. And I did get the significance of the economy growing by 1.3%. The economy grew that is the important fact, sustained growth yet again. Regardless of how large the growth was, it still grew.

dmk
$$HEADLINE$$ - $$PUBLISHERNAME$$


By Edwin Dean

Republican leaders, and Republican-leaning columnists like George Will, claim that the Bush administration has produced a strong, growing economy. Don’t believe it. A comparison of Bush’s economic performance to Clinton’s shows how weak the Bush economy has been.

Economic conditions under Bill Clinton were, without doubt, the best in three decades, and among the best since World War II. Unemployment fell from 7.5 percent in 1992, the last year before Clinton’s inauguration, to 4 percent in 2000, the last Clinton year. The 4 percent figure was the lowest since 1969. Under Bush, unemployment has risen to 4.6 percent.

Job increases under Clinton averaged a remarkable 2.8 million a year, while under Bush, the average increase has been a half million.

There is more. Under Clinton the poverty rate fell from 15 percent to 11 percent, the lowest since 1974; under Bush it has increased to 13 percent. Gross domestic product, after adjustment for inflation, grew almost 4 percent a year under Clinton and slightly more than 2 percent under Bush.

These are all simple facts. And they have affected Americans like you and me and our children.

Did Clinton have some good luck? You bet he did. Clinton was inaugurated just as the economy was coming out of a recession and after every recession the economy benefits from a period of expansion. And he was lucky because starting in 1996 productivity leaped forward, helping to extend the expansion — and strong productivity growth is usually more dependent on long-term scientific and technological advances than on wise economic policies.

While Clinton was lucky, he also developed smart, effective policies. His biggest policy success was his enforcement of strict discipline on the federal budget.

In 1992, just before Clinton entered office, the budget deficit was $290 billion, almost 5 percent of GDP. As Bob Woodward recounts in "The Agenda," Clinton became convinced that to reverse the trend toward ever-increasing deficits, he must forget about the middle-class tax cuts he had promised in his campaign and push Congress to raise taxes. He spent much political capital doing precisely that, and he went further by reducing federal spending on popular economic programs.

By the last year of his presidency, he had turned the $290 billion deficit into a surplus of $236 billion, the largest in U.S. history.

By doing this, Clinton fostered rapid growth in net national savings and investment. When the government eliminates budget deficits and starts running surpluses, then government, like the private sector, contributes to total national savings. So you would expect Clinton’s budget surpluses to lead to higher national savings. And that is exactly what happened: in 1992, net savings in the U.S. economy were only 3 percent of our gross national income, while by 2000 they amounted to 6 percent.

Savings are used to finance investment and as savings rose during the 1990s, so did investment. Net domestic investment, adjusted for inflation, rose from $354 billion in 1992 to $852 billion in 2000 — an increase of 140 percent. That investment helped increase productivity, GDP, and employment. The economic expansion of 1991-2001 was the longest ever recorded, starting with the 1850s.

Admittedly, the lackluster performance of the economy under George Bush is due partly to bad luck. When Bush was inaugurated, the boom years of the Clinton presidency finally were coming to an end, and a recession began just a few months later. But Bush has enjoyed some good luck too: productivity has grown even more rapidly during Bush’s presidency than during Clinton’s.

In sharp contrast to Clinton’s budget discipline, Bush has treated the federal budget like a boy treats a cookie jar: forget about filling it, just reach for more cookies. His huge tax cuts reduced federal revenues, while he has permitted federal government spending of all types to surge.

Military spending rose mainly because Bush began an unnecessary and very expensive (as well as bloody) war in Iraq. Non-military spending also rose. My father, a loyal Republican, would have been amazed to learn that a Republican Congress, in only five years, passed spending bills allowing a 48 percent increase in federal nonmilitary spending and that a Republican president failed to veto even one of these bills!

The Bush policies converted Clinton’s final budget surplus of $236 billion into the current budget deficit of $260 billion. As deficits rose, net national savings fell from 6 percent to the current 2 percent of gross national income, while net domestic investment, after the Clinton-era increase of 140 percent, has actually declined!

Bush’s deficits have effectively crowded out investment in our economy. No wonder GDP growth has been sluggish.

The outstanding performance of the U.S. economy during the Clinton presidency was due partly to good luck and partly to farsighted, disciplined budget policies. The far inferior performance under Bush has been due partly to a mixture of good and bad luck and partly to irresponsible tax cuts, out-of-control federal spending and soaring budget deficits. We now are paying for the Bush policies with declining net investment, sluggish growth in GDP and employment, and higher poverty rates.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Bottom line.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville
Old 10-30-2006, 08:57 AM   #57 (permalink)
Banned
 
Jefferson's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Omaha Beach
Posts: 7,298
Points: 21,921, Level: 92
Points: 21,921, Level: 92 Points: 21,921, Level: 92 Points: 21,921, Level: 92
Level up: 58%, 429 Points needed
Level up: 58% Level up: 58% Level up: 58%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Jefferson is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Clinton took office during an economic boom.
Clinton left office during a recession.

Bush took office during a recession.
Bush will leave office during an economic boom.


Spin it any way you want.
Assign credit or blame wherever you want.

However...
Old 10-30-2006, 11:50 AM   #58 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
tyreay's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: RI
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
Country:
Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Level up: 63%, 185 Points needed
Level up: 63% Level up: 63% Level up: 63%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via Yahoo to tyreay
tyreay is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jefferson View Post
Clinton took office during an economic boom.
Clinton left office during a recession.

Bush took office during a recession.
Bush will leave office during an economic boom.


Spin it any way you want.
Assign credit or blame wherever you want.

However...
However...this country's economy would be in the crapper if Bush didn't go to war(for reasons that were bullshit). The rich are still getting richer and the poor are still getting poorer. Now spin that.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville
Old 10-30-2006, 01:29 PM   #59 (permalink)
Banned
 
alias's Avatar
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wild Wild West
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,659
Points: 26,006, Level: 96
Points: 26,006, Level: 96 Points: 26,006, Level: 96 Points: 26,006, Level: 96
Level up: 66%, 344 Points needed
Level up: 66% Level up: 66% Level up: 66%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
alias is offline
Reply With Quote
 
No need to spin the truth. Get this book and read it for yourself and then disprove his points.

National Review Book Service: Myths of Rich and Poor: Why We're Better Off Than We Think by Michael Cox; Richard Alm
Old 10-31-2006, 03:44 AM   #60 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
tyreay's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: RI
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
Country:
Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Level up: 63%, 185 Points needed
Level up: 63% Level up: 63% Level up: 63%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via Yahoo to tyreay
tyreay is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alias View Post
No need to spin the truth. Get this book and read it for yourself and then disprove his points.

National Review Book Service: Myths of Rich and Poor: Why We're Better Off Than We Think by Michael Cox; Richard Alm
I"ll try and check out this book as soon as I can afford it.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:46 PM.


 Top Political Sites
Poltical Topsites