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Old 11-14-2006, 06:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I wouldn't work in the oil industry, let alone move to work in the oil industry, and there are a lot of other jobs that I would not be able to do because I have a conscience and a heart.
Yeah, I do care about a lot of things and about other people I've never met. My life is about more than just money, but that doesn't mean that the federal minimum wage is not a problem for those who are depending on it for income.
You hear what you want to hear, and from seeing your reply to my post, read what you want to read. You did something with your life, good, I hope you're happy with that. Give others a chance to do something with theirs, as well.
Then stop crying about not making more money than you do.

It's about CHOICES.
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:57 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Then stop crying about not making more money than you do.
It's about CHOICES.
What in the hell are you talking about?

I'm am unemployed full-time college student.
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Old 11-14-2006, 09:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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What in the hell are you talking about?

I'm am unemployed full-time college student.
...and that is a choice.


By the way, are you getting government money to help pay for your college?
Old 11-15-2006, 12:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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...and that is a choice.


By the way, are you getting government money to help pay for your college?
NO, being an unemployed college student is not a choice, if you have half a clue about my life, (of which you've glimpsed some pieces from tyreay).

I'm not an ignorant moron, I've already got enough know-how to run a business, (I finished paying off $14,000 in student loans last year that I had left from business school), but that's not who I am, so I'm taking a different academic course. I'm going for what I really want to do, NOW, and not letting anything get in the way of that; financial hardship included, and in the end and I won't be a bitter ******* who just did it for the $$. (By the way, once I finish college, we are planning to relocate to where the jobs are and homes aren't so costly).

And according to the government, I'm "entitled" to benefits, whether you like it or not, because for one, I'm the daughter of a Veitnam vet and two, I'm a first generation college student, and three, because I'm not rich.

What any of that has to do with minimum wage, is exactly nothing. I haven't worked at a minimum wage job since I was a kid, and I know that the purchasing value of the dollar has gone way down since then.

Yeah, if kids are working they may not need to spend money on bills and can get by with the measley paychecks, but not if they have outrageous auto insurance bills, that may cost more than the purchase of their cars. The dollar has lost it's purchasing power and the minimum wage needs to be adjusted to balance that.

As for adults that are working minimum wage jobs, I don't agree that someone's intelligence should play a part in their value either, that they should only merit minimum wage because they can't do 9th grade algebra. If they are doing their job well, they deserve to be paid for it. Recently divorced spouses, with young children who take the first job they can get to put food on the table and pay for the roof over the heads of their children don't deserve to be penalized either, in addition to the lack of medical coverage that may suddenly take place because the other parent quit their job to escape wage garnishment for child support.

You are missing a hell of a lot of the bigger picture that is in play, that affects millions of people's lives here in this country every day.

You have graduate degree and are raking in the cash, so you say, but who was watching the kids, cooking meals and doing all the other crap that goes into family life while you were in college working on your degree? Your wife? My spouse is disabled, does what he can and I do the rest, so my time is full, but even so I have applied for a work study. So, if you want to go on with you OH SO SUPERIOR attitude, get a clue. If you didn't have the support of your wife, you couldn't have done it, I just need other supports and don't feel one bit guilty about using them.

So, minimum wage isn't my personal problem. It is a problem for many, however, and though you may not care about that, I do.
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:25 PM   #15 (permalink)
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So you're getting government money to go to college.

Just as I thought.

Because yeah, we somehow OWE it to you!


Like I said earlier - something you OBVIOUSLY did not read or comprehend - I did graduate work after my wife and I had 3 kids, and I was working 50-60 hours per week AT THE SAME TIME. And guess what? Not one danged dollar of government money went into my education. And it's not because I'm rich. Had I not been married, and had I not been a father, it would have been MUCH easier. But SOME of us decide to buckle down, nut up, and do what needs to be done - instead of sitting on our lazy asses complaining because it can't be done.

But then again, I'm not going through life with this stinking "You OWE it to me!" attitude.


And lastly, IF you think I'm "raking in the cash" because of my education, you are purely, utterly and totally stupid.

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After 17+ years in one location, my family recently relocated FOR JOB REASONS.

YOU GO TO WHERE THE JOBS ARE.


Unless, or course, you're a Democrat. In that case, you just sit on your ass and complain that there are no jobs.
- Or you can complain that "da man is keepin' me down".
- Or you can drop out of high school and complain about not being able to get a good job.
- Or you can continue to be just flat-out lazy, and make no effort to better yourself or your situation.

I did my graduate work AFTER I was married, AFTER I had three kids and WHILE I was working 50-60 hours per week. I had NO GOVERNMENT FUNDING for it - it all came out of MY POCKET. So don't whine to me about jobs and education.

You are one of the lucky Americans that can actually afford to relocate. A large portion of our citizens are not as priviledged.
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You are one of the lucky Americans that can actually afford to relocate. A large portion of our citizens are not as priviledged.
Oh cry me a river! More liberal excuses as to why "it can't be done!"

How come all the Mexicans are able to "relocate"? Is it because they have the MONEY to do so, or because the have the DESIRE to do so?

LIBERALS make excuses.
CONSERVATIVES make it work.
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So you're getting government money to go to college.

Just as I thought.

Because yeah, we somehow OWE it to you!


Like I said earlier - something you OBVIOUSLY did not read or comprehend - I did graduate work after my wife and I had 3 kids, and I was working 50-60 hours per week AT THE SAME TIME. And guess what? Not one danged dollar of government money went into my education. And it's not because I'm rich. Had I not been married, and had I not been a father, it would have been MUCH easier. But SOME of us decide to buckle down, nut up, and do what needs to be done - instead of sitting on our lazy asses complaining because it can't be done.

But then again, I'm not going through life with this stinking "You OWE it to me!" attitude.


And lastly, IF you think I'm "raking in the cash" because of my education, you are purely, utterly and totally stupid.
Yeah and you did it with a healthy mate.
My wife does more than you could ever imagine.
And don't even go to the utterly and totally stupid thing. I am willing to bet my life that my wife's IQ is much higher than yours. Plus she doesn't think intelligence is who can come up with the best belittling insults. Act civilized genius.
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Yeah and you did it with a healthy mate.
My wife does more than you could ever imagine.
And don't even go to the utterly and totally stupid thing. I am willing to bet my life that my wife's IQ is much higher than yours. Plus she doesn't think intelligence is who can come up with the best belittling insults. Act civilized genius.
I am actually quite civilized. I am also sick to death of people who make excuses.

And how do you know I "did it with a healthy mate"? That's just more excuse-making.


So... do you and your wife care to make any other stupid assumptions - such as that I'm "raking in the cash"?

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I am actually quite civilized. I am also sick to death of people who make excuses.

And how do you know I "did it with a healthy mate"? That's just more excuse-making.


So... do you and your wife care to make any other stupid assumptions - such as that I'm "raking in the cash"?
So you are saying your wife was disabled while you did your education? Seems to me you mentioned recently she had held down three jobs. Was this while she was disabled?
Additionally, I never said you were raking in the cash. I did notice you avoided my question on how much of a tax cut you got.
Not only that, you are also assuming alot about us. I guess thats ok because 'CONSERVATIVES make it work'. How ignorant. The one thing that won't change is you will always be a crass, insultive jerk. What will change here is that my wife is doing the full time education and we will get out of whatever troubles we have on our own. Or maybe we could get some more welll meant advice from you.
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