WOW, I think Observer should move to Iran.

I agree. We don't believe in a theocracies, but we do (or rather did) believe in Christian/Godly principles.

No matter what you choose to believe, this nation was founded on Christian and Biblical principles. It is only within the last 60-70 years we've drifted towards socialism aka communism.

WOW!! I think Katczinsky needs a balance.

Iran lops off hands of thieves. God's law says the thief repay seven times.

It must be hard on the young having known nothing but immorality all their life and believe they have every right to remain so.

It wasn't founded on Christian and Biblical principles, it was founded by Christians; there is a difference. In fact, most of the founding fathers were all Deists.

Also, Iran is what happens when you install a theocracy and from your previous post, you made it appear as if you wished that upon the United States. Don't forget the Muslims and the Christians worship the same God.

Well not really. It was founded by Christians on many different principles. Greek and Roman philosophy and civilization, Montesquieu, Thomas Paine, the Magna Carta, the list rolls on...

No matter what I choose to believe, I know that it would absurd to claim that this nation was founded soley on Christian and Biblical principles.

I am sorry for not being clear. I meant there is not biblical support that Jesus would have supported the stoning if they had brought the man. To me that sounds like an assumption.

1. You claim he upheld it but I don't see how he did. The law required both to be put to death. Neither were executed. Therefore that the law required did not happen. I would love to hear how you think this is a fulfillment of what the law required.

2. I am trying to think outside the box. But when your answer to my argument that Jesus did not seem to uphold the law is "He said he did", I wonder about your willingness to think outside the box. I will make an offer, for this conversation I will be willing to consider your interpretation if you are willing to consider mine.

3. Then it looks like you are advocating that if only one of two guilty people are brought forward that we should let that one person go free. And I don't think it is a no brainer that there even was a man. Jesus stated that lusting after another is equal to adultery and since scripture did not specify there was another there, it is not safe to assume absolutely there was another. I admit that it is likely there was another, but I think it is faulty to make assumptions and base whole positions and interpretations on those assumptions.

4. See above. It is completely possible to commit adultery by yourself. Jesus said so.

5. The law did not require the double standard to be exposed, it required the guilty to be killed. Again, you are assuming things that are not biblically supported. You assume that the some of the other men had slept with the woman, but that is not stated in the bible. What is more, even assuming that some of the men had slept with her, there is no reason to believe that all of the men in the group had. If Jesus was speaking only in terms of them being without the sin of sleeping with that woman, by your own assumption some of the men would have been innocent and they would have stoned her. But it is far more likely that Jesus was speaking in a larger scope meaning that he who is without any sin should cast the first stone. If that is true, it should apply today and he who is without sin should do the executing, but like then, no one is innocent today. According to Jesus, no one is innocent and, thus no one should execute another.

6. That is not what Jesus did. He did not continue to look for the man and then execute them both. He let her go. Your answer simply does not match up with what Jesus did on that day.

7. You have totally skipped my question so I will ask it again in an updated way. If US law allowed it, do you think that a girl should be killed for having premarital sex? Do you personally think the US would be better if we killed everyone who has had premarital sex? As to what you answered, God tells us to obey our leaders unless the leaders order us to violate God's law. If the government required you to violate God's law by worshiping an idol of George Bush, God would want you to disobey that US law. If the government requires you to violate God law by not killing people who have premarital sex, God would also want you to disobey that US law. I think it is a total cop out to say you want to follow God's law fully and then say you don't have to because the corrupt US government says not to. You can't have you cake and eat it to. Who's law do you follow, God's or man's?

8. If you look at modern studies you will find that the death penalty does not lower crime rates at all.

If Jesus never said it, it can be nothing more than an assumption.

The country was founded on Christian principals like disenfranchising women and forcing black people into slavery. The founders may have spoken like they liked christian principals, they sure did not act like they did. Much like modern Christians, they like to follow God's word until it says something that they don't like.

Yeah stoning girls for having sex is much better than cutting hands off for stealing.