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Old 07-14-2006, 10:22 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Correction. ALL the law was not upheld. When it takes two to break the law, you can't punish one and not the other. IOW, the woman could NOT have committed adultery by herself.
Nobody is saying she could have committed adultery "by herself".
The point is that there is NOTHING in the law which requires that both the man and the woman be stoned together.
NOTHING.

That is a standard you are making up. Entirely absent from the bible.
Such a tactic is referred to frequently as "apologetics"...
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Old 07-14-2006, 10:23 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Do you not see the contradiction in this statement. The first commandment requires that "you shall have no other gods before me." A country cannot honor that commandment and allow other gods to be worshiped.
The system is based on freedom. If you are Christian, then you bind yourself to that law. If not, then you are free to worship whoever or whatever you wish or nothing at all.

These people had just escaped tyranny of the Catholic church that persecuted anyone who did not submit to the church. The forefathers did not want that to ever happen again, thus "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

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But just for clarification sake, what are the "Christian principles" you claim the country was based on?
This article explains it better than I ever could. I hope you will read all of it.
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Nobody is saying she could have committed adultery "by herself".
The point is that there is NOTHING in the law which requires that both the man and the woman be stoned together.
NOTHING.
Nothing? Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

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That is a standard you are making up. Entirely absent from the bible.
Such a tactic is referred to frequently as "apologetics"...
Really!
Old 07-14-2006, 11:29 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Nothing? Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Yeah.
BOTH shall have to be put to death.
NOWHERE does it specify that they HAVE to be put to death at the SAME TIME.

That is a standard that YOU are making up, with NO biblical backing.


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Really!
Yes. Really.
Show me somewhere where it says they have to be put to death AT THE SAME TIME...
You are adding that part where it doesn't exist.
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Yeah.
BOTH shall have to be put to death.
NOWHERE does it specify that they HAVE to be put to death at the SAME TIME.

That is a standard that YOU are making up, with NO biblical backing.
I'm making it up? I think you are making it up. Show me in the scriptures whereit says the mob was going to put the man to death after they put the woman to death. Or had already put the man to death.



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Yes. Really.
Show me somewhere where it says they have to be put to death AT THE SAME TIME...
You are adding that part where it doesn't exist.
That is a frequent tactic with Christian apologetics...
What did I add? I provided the law where it says BOTH shall be put to death. Now, you have to show me the scripture where the mob's intent was to stone the man, also.
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The system is based on freedom. If you are Christian, then you bind yourself to that law. If not, then you are free to worship whoever or whatever you wish or nothing at all.

These people had just escaped tyranny of the Catholic church that persecuted anyone who did not submit to the church. The forefathers did not want that to ever happen again, thus "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."



This article explains it better than I ever could. I hope you will read all of it.
God ordered Israel to destroy all idols and false gods when they invaded a new land. If they did not do so God would not give them his blessings. God did not allow Israel to have a freedom of religion. Why should he allow us to now. I really don't even see how democracy is compatible with Christianity. In the bible God appointed kings, now men elect leaders. What is the deal with that?

About your article. It is totally irrelevant to my question. It is a politically charged, out dated rant. I asked what the principles or Christianity are, not what someone's interpretation on Church and State is or what the liberal media has done. Principles of Christianity should be eternal and not based on politics. Let's try again. What do YOU think the principles of Christianity are? You are very talented at dancing around direct questions.
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Well, actually, Katczinski, I don't feel superior, just blessed. I'm sorry I came across to you that way. I was thinking about our conversation and it occurred to me that everyone hears from God. They just don't recognize it. Heck, sometimes I think it's my thoughts and it's really Him. I think I'm getting better at knowing the difference. For example, when you think to yourself (talk to yourself in your mind) is it first person or second? You're driving down the highway and it's raining and the thought pops in your head, "You'd better slow down" and instinctively your foot lets up on the gas pedal. That's God. If the thought goes like this, "I'd better slow down" then that's you.
Actually that would be your conscience. Sorry, but science isn't leaving room for superstition.
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God ordered Israel to destroy all idols and false gods when they invaded a new land. If they did not do so God would not give them his blessings. God did not allow Israel to have a freedom of religion. Why should he allow us to now. I really don't even see how democracy is compatible with Christianity. In the bible God appointed kings, now men elect leaders. What is the deal with that?
The reason He did not allow Israel to have freedom of religion is because they were His chosen race to set an example to the rest of the world. They were to "show" others the blessings God would bestow on them if they would obey Him.

God appointed kings because the people whined until He finally gave in. They were to be ruled only by God, but they wanted to be "like other countries" and have a king.

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About your article. It is totally irrelevant to my question. It is a politically charged, out dated rant. I asked what the principles or Christianity are, not what someone's interpretation on Church and State is or what the liberal media has done. Principles of Christianity should be eternal and not based on politics. Let's try again. What do YOU think the principles of Christianity are? You are very talented at dancing around direct questions.
The principle is respect of the individual, acknowledging that we are all endowed with rights from the Creator. Not slave, servant, or subject to another human. Everyone, regardless of color, religion, or creed shall be entitled to respect. That comes from none other than Christ.

Sorry you didn't like the "rant", but then those who hate the truth find it very offensive.
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Actually that would be your conscience. Sorry, but science isn't leaving room for superstition.
And this from one who says he once knew Him. Superstition, huh?
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1. The reason He did not allow Israel to have freedom of religion is because they were His chosen race to set an example to the rest of the world. They were to "show" others the blessings God would bestow on them if they would obey Him.

God appointed kings because the people whined until He finally gave in. They were to be ruled only by God, but they wanted to be "like other countries" and have a king.



2. The principle is respect of the individual, acknowledging that we are all endowed with rights from the Creator. Not slave, servant, or subject to another human. Everyone, regardless of color, religion, or creed shall be entitled to respect. That comes from none other than Christ.

Sorry you didn't like the "rant", but then those who hate the truth find it very offensive.
1. And now God chooses others to be his chosen people. Peter's vision in act makes it clear that no man is unclean after Jesus' death. Or do you argue that a Jew is more chosen by God than a Christian?

2. That principle can fully be upheld without the death penalty.

3. I did not find the rant to be offensive, just irrelevant. I don't hate the truth, I search for the truth. I fully embrace any truth that I can see. Just because I don't happen to think that the Christian faith is the one and only truth does not mean I hate the truth. And I will thank you for not making such unfounded claims about me because it is fully unproductive. I could say the same about you, only I know better. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. Just because we disagree with me does not mean that I would accuse you of hating truth and I will thank you for showing the same respect.
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