Didn't know you had to be conservative to care about money...prick

You better learn a few more things about America if you think cost matters in some things but not others.

You better learn a few more things about morality in America. If a member of your family, or a close friend was murdered, would you want the guilty man to seek the punishment that is the cheapest cost for the government??

Yea fuck that! I was proud to denounce this debate in one of my classes when someone mentioned that jail time is "cheaper" for the government.

Yeah...that's exactly it...isn't it? Morality in America....because we all know that morality in America triumphs over evil always. That's why we have a President lying to his citizens about reasons to go to war, that's why we have politicians appearing in front of grand juries, that's why we have multi-billion dollar coporations going down the shitter because of corruption....what the fuck America are you talkin' about Ridin?

But, if you knew what you were talking about, you would know that above all - money rules everything in America. If you knew that, then you would know that appealing to my sympathy and my fear are fallicious arguments intended to dodge the real issues.

For me, the first real issue is whether it is moral to kill a man.
My answer is No, simply because I believe killing is wrong and that no matter what someone has done to me, I don't think that means they should die. Am I saying I could never be caught up in the moment? No, I'm not saying that-- I don't think killing people for anything is very worthwhile. The 10 Commandments forbids killing, yet millions of Christians have decided to dodge that issue with their end-all saying "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." This makes up one of many Christian-made eexcuses for Christian-made rules. Where's your fucking sense of hypocrisy?

The other issue, then, is if it is moral to kill a man, is it really the wisest course of action when it would COST LESS to let them suffer by themselves in a small dark cell for the rest of their lives?
Considering how money is important for everyone, and more money equals more opportunity whether you like it or not....not to mention we still have homeless and starving people, including children. There are multitudes of causes that need money right now, yet you still feel the need to spend all of this extra money, just to kill a prisoner who's real life is effectively over and then on top of all of that say that money does not matter in this issue.

Wow where do I start?

You said I need to learn a few more things about cost in America, and then I replied to you suggesting that you learn more things about morality in America...(You used cost in your defense, I used morality)

You post, "Yeah...that's exactly it...isn't it? Morality in America....because we all know that morality in America triumphs over evil always."

Then you post, "For me, the first real issue is whether it is moral to kill a man"

I gave an example as to why I think it is morally right to end the life of a murderer. Right? Then you attack "morality in America" and then mention, for you, the first real issue is whether it is moral to kill a man. That seems like hypocrisy to me...

You then bring in the Bush Administration, Christians, etc. to support your argument. We are talking about the morality and cost basis of Capital Punishment! So what if I believe in a higher being! Don't liberals want people to keep religion out of politics? Well I kept religion out of this debate, yet you used religion in your defenses. That is my friends, hypocrisy at it's best!

I'm sorry, but bringing in the Bush Administration, Christians, etc. to your defenses kind of ticked me off. Why can't we just debate about Capital Punishment and leave all the other stuff out of it? I'm sure if I said something like, "You support killing unborn babies, and keeping murderers alive" it surely would piss you off.

We all know that more money = more opportunity. I also understand that cost is important in America, but when it comes to deciding the fate of someone who has taken life, I think money is the least thing that we should worry about (ON THIS ISSUE). Maybe you thought that I wanted morality to be the top concern on all matters...I don't know...

Now that you know I feel that morality is more important in this matter, I feel that Capital Punishment is necessary and proper because someone who has taken life, does not deserve the right to life. Did you know that lots of homeless people commit crimes so they could get a nice hot meal in prison? Did you know that inmates make friends, pass around a football, and do other activities in prison? If they were kept in their prison cell with no windows or anything at all times for the rest of their life, well that's a different story. That's now how it works in America though...you should know that.

I meant that referring to "morality in America" is a useless thing to do. I think in trying to find morality in America, you find some good things in a sea of ugly ones. That is why I brought up those reasons: to illustrate if nothing else, "morality in America" is a lie.
I did not intend to denounce using morality in this debate and I understand how the rest of my post made me look stupid. What I meant to say is that trying to defend capital punishment because of "America's general morality" is ridiculous for two reasons. The first reason is that an "American morality" would inevitably be impossible to determine because the diversity of this country is such that there are many sets of morals, and they often conflict with each other.
Therefore, I have to assume you are saying that the support of capital punishment is an American moral. That, to me, is utterly ridiculous as well. You justified earlier that someone who takes life, does not have the right to live, or in other words "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth". That is not American, that is Christian. A Christian justification for capital punishment is not worthy especially when other alternative means, which don't involve killing, cost the American people a lot less money...American people who are not Christian and do not believe in "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth."

You also brought up that "lots of homeless people commit crimes so they could get a nice hot meal in prison." Well, if they were not homeless, they probably would not be doing that. If the government spent its money towards worthy social causes that would eliminate these problems. I mean, doesn't that say something to you about America when a homeless person is better off in jail than living free? Like I said before, there are multitudes of social causes that need money, there are multitudes of social problems that if corrected would necessarily elminate other problems in America. Money is always important. We can accomplish the goal of punishing murderers justly by sticking them in a cell by themselves for the rest of their life. They sit in a tiny cell by themselves all day and are left to their thoughts. It costs the government less money to do this than to let them sit on death row while they appeal for 30 years, costing the court system (aka the public) thousands of dollars...all for what...so on their execution day we can spend even more thousands of dollars just to pull the switch?

cain killed abel....god didnt kill cain

christians always over look that....lol

Forgive me if I am wrong but isn't that an excerpt from the old testement? Don't modern day christians adhere to the new testement which speaks of unwavering forgiveness and nonjugdement?

Also, if I am right about an eye for an eye being part of the old testement, and if you are going to use that to justify your opinion than I would assume you subscribe to other codes of punishment in the old testement. Sentence of death for adultery, and stealing are just a couple of the punishments stated as just in the old testement.

I think this might be part of what you're referencing?
Jesus's statements on "eye for an eye"...

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;