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For Capital Punishment or Against it?

Capital Punishment Debate and defend your political beliefs on whether or not capital punishment is morally right.

View Poll Results: For Capital Punishment or Against it?
For Capital Punishment 41 57.75%
Against Capital Punishment 25 35.21%
Undecided 5 7.04%
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Old 07-21-2005, 07:40 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Here are two advantages.

1. You ensure that innocent people don't get killed.

2. You free up the courts to deal with other cases.
And you get to flip the bill to keep these people alive....


How would you feel about at least putting them to hard labor? With the emphasis on HARD...
The prisions are already getting very over crowded, which is why so MANY new prisions are going up. So these new prisions along with more guards is going to hit our tax dollars pretty hard also right? So money wise, this is also a argument for capital punishment but I could be completely wrong. I just want to see your views on this.
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Old 07-21-2005, 07:40 PM   #112 (permalink)
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What about some changes for capital punishment like just executing those who committed such awful and ludacris crimes like the Oklahoma city bombings, mass murders, terrorists, etc.???

These are just some thoughts.
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Old 07-21-2005, 07:43 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Here are two advantages.

1. You ensure that innocent people don't get killed.

2. You free up the courts to deal with other cases.
And you get to flip the bill to keep these people alive....


How would you feel about at least putting them to hard labor? With the emphasis on HARD...
The prisions are already getting very over crowded, which is why so MANY new prisions are going up. So these new prisions along with more guards is going to hit our tax dollars pretty hard also right? So money wise, this is also a argument for capital punishment but I could be completely wrong. I just want to see your views on this.
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Here are two advantages.

1. You ensure that innocent people don't get killed.

2. You free up the courts to deal with other cases.
And you get to flip the bill to keep these people alive....


How would you feel about at least putting them to hard labor? With the emphasis on HARD...
The prisons are already getting very over crowded, which is why so MANY new prisons are going up. So these new prisons along with more guards is going to hit our tax dollars pretty hard also right? So money wise, this is also a argument for capital punishment but I could be completely wrong. I just want to see your views on this.
1. Most of those sentenced to death die of old age, not the death penalty. That means there is not additional cost to keep them alive, you are paying for food, clothes (etc...) for the same amount of time- the rest of their lives.

2. Generally it is the poor who get the death penalty. They cannot afford an attorney, so the tax payers pay the attorney costs.

3. Capital cases usually have 4x more pretrial motion, this means about 4x the attorney fees and also more court fees.

4. Death row inmates are kept separately from other inmates, this is less space efficient that sharing cells. Thus, it would actually help the overcrowded jails to just issue life sentences.
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those must have been the dumbasses during the crusades. i bet they were all catholics during the crusades. im not sure can someone get me up to speed on that??
What the hell are you talking about? Are you drunk again dude?
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those must have been the dumbasses during the crusades. i bet they were all catholics during the crusades. im not sure can someone get me up to speed on that??
What the hell are you talking about? Are you drunk again dude?
Ok, good, so I am not the only one who had no idea what he was talking about.
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It takes so long because they have constitutional rights to appeal. Getting someone executed is a very long legal process. Working in a law firm I can tell you that some civil cases will require what would amount 15-20+ large trash bags of paper work. That is just one case, with no appeals. Capital cases average 4x the paperwork than a non capital case. Imagine writing 60-80+ large trash bags worth of documents... that alone could take twenty years! I think that the slow process has to be protected. Even with the current system there are reports of innocent people being found guilty and sentenced to death. If the time between conviction and execution were any shorter, more innocent people would be killed.
I love the fact that you measure the documents in trash bags! Oh god that's good... I have been giggling for 10 minutes...
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Actually, I believe the death penalty would be a relief from all that Sodomy. I would definately choose the death penalty over the gay gang rapes in the shower, HAHA.
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Actually, I believe the death penalty would be a relief from all that Sodomy. I would definately choose the death penalty over the gay gang rapes in the shower, HAHA.
A friend of mine who spent a good bit of time in prison assured me that the gay ass-raping does not happen as much as the movies and T.V. shows would like us to believe...
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It takes so long because they have constitutional rights to appeal. Getting someone executed is a very long legal process. Working in a law firm I can tell you that some civil cases will require what would amount 15-20+ large trash bags of paper work. That is just one case, with no appeals. Capital cases average 4x the paperwork than a non capital case. Imagine writing 60-80+ large trash bags worth of documents... that alone could take twenty years! I think that the slow process has to be protected. Even with the current system there are reports of innocent people being found guilty and sentenced to death. If the time between conviction and execution were any shorter, more innocent people would be killed.
I love the fact that you measure the documents in trash bags! Oh god that's good... I have been giggling for 10 minutes...

Is that just how you store them or do you transport them to court in the trash bags too?
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