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Capital Punishment Debate and defend your political beliefs on whether or not capital punishment is morally right.

View Poll Results: For Capital Punishment or Against it?
For Capital Punishment 41 57.75%
Against Capital Punishment 25 35.21%
Undecided 5 7.04%
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:13 PM   #131 (permalink)
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aMFliberal and I have made some great points against capital punishment. And we are still waiting for some argumentation against those points. Maybe we are just too good at debating... haha.
You have made some good points. But I still feel the death penalty is a valuable tool, I think we just need to actually go through with the administration of the death a little quicker. I just don't see the advantage of life in prison without the possibility of parole over the death penalty...
Yeah but you can't do that. I think it should be life in solitary confinement, no parole.
What if the convict wants death?
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:18 PM   #132 (permalink)
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That's what happened to Micheal Ross this year. He dropped his appeals because he wanted to be executed because he believed he deserved it. That's why his case became a huge uproar because many started arguing that executing him would be state-assisted suicide, including his lawyers. His execution happened in May, but it was supposed to be in January if not for the state assisted suicide issue. He had been on death row for 17 years already. These are the kinds of messes you get with our system of capital punishment.
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I saw your other posts. I just don't buy it. And honestly... I don't think it'd be worth the extra costs...
amfliberal and I have posted a lot of evidence and this is the best response we get? "I just don't buy it."?? Wow. I am sorry you disagree that it would be worth it to spend a little extra to save innocent lives. However, that is a non issue since it would be cheaper to save the lives. Save money. Save lives. Come on, this is a no brainer.
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Old 07-22-2005, 11:46 AM   #134 (permalink)
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I saw your other posts. I just don't buy it. And honestly... I don't think it'd be worth the extra costs...
amfliberal and I have posted a lot of evidence and this is the best response we get? "I just don't buy it."?? Wow. I am sorry you disagree that it would be worth it to spend a little extra to save innocent lives. However, that is a non issue since it would be cheaper to save the lives. Save money. Save lives. Come on, this is a no brainer.
But most of the lives that would be spared are a waste. They are doing nothing but absorbing valuable resources and contributing nothing. I just can't condone allowing these people to live unless we can work them like animals, at least then we can get som ROI.
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And some of the lives would be innocent people. Are you really so afraid of the bad guys that you are willing to kill some innocent people "just to be sure"?
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And some of the lives would be innocent people. Are you really so afraid of the bad guys that you are willing to kill some innocent people "just to be sure"?
I am not affraid of bad guys, I am defending my wallet.
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It costs more to execute than it does to put in prison for life!!!!! I feel like I's taking crazy pills.
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It costs more to execute than it does to put in prison for life!!!!! I feel like I's taking crazy pills.
You see that's what I don't buy. Because it simply does not make sense. You are calculating in legal fees and such.

Now keep in mind I am not saying that we should dole out death sentences willy nilly. But if you eat your victims, harm a child, rape a woman, wear your vistims face as a mask, you MUST DIE. Very simply.

Or better yet. I will agree with letting them live. If we don't have to feed or care for them.
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You see that's what I don't buy. Because it simply does not make sense. You are calculating in legal fees and such.

Now keep in mind I am not saying that we should dole out death sentences willy nilly. But if you eat your victims, harm a child, rape a woman, wear your vistims face as a mask, you MUST DIE. Very simply.

Or better yet. I will agree with letting them live. If we don't have to feed or care for them.
Of course I am calculating in legal fees and such. That is the cost! If you were just defending your wallet, you would have to be against capital punishment.

As to your second part... Why must a person, even as you described, die? What is solved? How does killing fix anything? What you are seeking is an extreme form of retribution. That does not lower crime. It does not fix victim's families. Many experts say that executing a criminal is harder on the victims family because it takes 40+ years to really have any kind finality.

Plus I still do not understand this. You think that killing an innocent person is wrong, so wrong that it warrants capital punishment. Yet, you are willing to risk killing an innocent person just to get your precious retribution. If you want less innocent people to be harmed and/or killed, oppose the death penalt. Simple.
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:18 PM   #140 (permalink)
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You see that's what I don't buy. Because it simply does not make sense. You are calculating in legal fees and such.

Now keep in mind I am not saying that we should dole out death sentences willy nilly. But if you eat your victims, harm a child, rape a woman, wear your vistims face as a mask, you MUST DIE. Very simply.

Or better yet. I will agree with letting them live. If we don't have to feed or care for them.
Of course I am calculating in legal fees and such. That is the cost! If you were just defending your wallet, you would have to be against capital punishment.

As to your second part... Why must a person, even as you described, die? What is solved? How does killing fix anything? What you are seeking is an extreme form of retribution. That does not lower crime. It does not fix victim's families. Many experts say that executing a criminal is harder on the victims family because it takes 40+ years to really have any kind finality.

Plus I still do not understand this. You think that killing an innocent person is wrong, so wrong that it warrants capital punishment. Yet, you are willing to risk killing an innocent person just to get your precious retribution. If you want less innocent people to be harmed and/or killed, oppose the death penalt. Simple.
I think the death penalty serves as a detterent. Shit, if I didn't know that I'd get the death penalty, I'd likely go on a killing spree my damn self when I was done with society altogether. But I don't wanna die myself. What I am seeking is a form of retribution. These people have lost their rights, all of them, including the right to breathe as far as I am concerned. And if people insist on allowing them to live I am fine with that, so long as I work them as hard as I can find gainful employment for, and so long as I don't have to feed them or provide any sort of medical benefits or education to them.

And I don't think the legal fees should be a part of the cost because that's where we could do a lot of stream lining.
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