thenewnoise

It does not serve as a deterrent. There is no evidence showing that it has any effect on crime. Criminals are not afraid of the death penalty. Why? Because people still commit capital crimes! If it were a deterrent people would be deterred from committing those crimes. All of your points about how they lose all of the rights are not important unless you can tell me either:

1. How you can be absolutely certain no innocent people will be treated like this.

or.

2. Why it is okay to kill innocent people.

You want to stream line the legal process? That will just let more innocent people be killed. If the state is going to be allowed to kill defenseless people, there had better be a hell of a lot of checks and balances.

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tadpole256

Agreed.

Like I said I don't think these things should be done willy-nilly. But in cases of absolute certainty (they do exsist), people should be killed.

Everyone else should be worked like slaves. That would be a detterent. And it would serve society in a positive way.

thenewnoise

Innocent people are found on death row. If we streamline any more that mean these people would be more likely to be killed. But I suppose that you have enough faith in our government that if a court found you guilty of a crime which you were innocent of, you would be glad to lay down your life for "retribution." As for me, I would prefer to live my life knowing that the government is not going to kill me. There is truly no such thing as a certain case. Everyone needs to be defended by a competent lawyer who uses ever possible defense.

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When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

tadpole256

I can agree with this. But you still make it sound like I want to just issue Death for Parking tickets. I think you should not get death for anything less than a moving violation. (<---- last sentence was a joke)

What I do think we should do is make prison such a horribly horrible place to be that death would be preffered. As it is prisoners have a substantially better quality of life, with better benefits than sailors at sea do. And if you don't believe me ask ANY sailor. That is wrong. Why should these people have books? Television? Time awake not spent in hard labor? Seriously?

thenewnoise

I will tell you why prisoners must be treated humanely.

1. Making prison a living hell would not deter crime. The proof is the in the past when there was no prison standards people were still committing crimes. The fact is when people do criminal acts, they intend to not get caught, so whatever the punishment is, it is not a deterrent.

2. There is a lot of evidence showing a link between a lack of education on a likely hood of committing crimes. Forcing them to only work is not going to hep solve the problem. It will just give more reason to rebel further.

3. Peace and order are maintained in prisons through a reward and punishment model. TV, weight rooms, sports equipment, are privileges that are taken away when behavior is bad. If you take it away altogether, there will be no reason to to riot all the time.


But we should probably make a prison system topic if we are going to debate this properly.

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When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

onthefence

exactlly, I can confirm the sailor at sea thing. Then throw in some mechanical problems. Evaps go down (no water= no showers & laundry), Main generator wipes a bearing (critical electrical use only=no AC) Boilers go down (no steam=sliders and fries for chow) (rough seas=damn no fries) I can go on and on

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tadpole256

I am not talking about people who have any hope of being released. I firmly believe in reform for them. In fact I teach job skills to ex-cons. I am talking about lifers. Fuck them. They want to riot? I am sure I can find some CO's who'd love to try out some very painful less than leathal weaponry.

Punishment is not a detterent?! Horseshit! Take away punishment and see what happens to crime. Shit I'd commit some crimes my damn self. Humans are inherrently evil beasts, and will usually take the path of least resistance. There are no pure souls. Not anymore...

tadpole256

Sliders are not sooo bad... Better than the Beef Yakisoba! Yuk...

I'll tell you what was de-moralizing... When we loaded an entire shipment of beef that was stamped "rejected by the Mississippi Prison System". Not good enough for the cons, so they gave it to the sailors. It was actually grade 'C' beef. I never even knew it exsisted...

thenewnoise

If the death penalty was a good deterrent, why are people still comitting capital crimes? Shouldn't they be to scared to get the death penalty. I think it is pretty easy to figure out that when someone is murdering someone, they do not stop half way and take it to a state with no death penalty. In fact, studies show that regions with no death penalty (or significantly fewer executions) have lower crime rates. I understand that statistics can be misleading, but there are a lot in support of removing the death penalty compared to the no statistics that have been provided on the other side.

You can have your opinion of the death penalty, but it is just that: an opinion.

Here are some numbers.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...id=167#STUDIES

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When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

onthefence

Beef what?!? that must be a new recipe, I also have seen the grade c beef, yummm

when you have sliders for a few meals in a row you get to see how bad they truly are

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