Defending the Truth

I know what you meant. I was being an Ass, just for the sake of being an ass...

haha I caught that.

Hev do you know what onthefence meant or...?

Not a person? You mean the "what now hev"? I'm assuming he means an unborn fetus is not a person but I still don't see how it relates to executing someone.

That is a load of crap. There are no statistics that support that view because of the simple fact that often times someone uses a gun to protect themselves they do so without notifying the police. Guns more often or not are used to commit crimes against strangers.

dmk

How am I a hypocrite. I am very clear on the matter. I support the death penalty for those convicted and sentenced to it, and despite your claim once again refute that fact that the recidivism rate of an executed prisoner is 0%. Regardless of what you say about it being a deterrent or not the simple fact is that for the most part all we have done is put to death someone who did not value the rights of others and for the most part who are murderers. I cry no tears for them. Why should we allow someone who has taken the life of another to enjoy all those things that victim will never enjoy. Prisoners who have been sentenced to life without parole have continued their education, written books, gotten married, and have had children. Their victim has had a funeral. Suffering, they still live, their is no suffering in that, their victim is the one that has suffered.

DMK

I am shocked that you just used "often times someone uses a gun to protect themselves they do so without notifying the police" to somehow reject that you are more likely to hurt or kill someone you know rather than a stranger.

I could use the same line of thinking to defend myself: All the times someone almost hurt someone they know with a gun are also not reported.

Your logic is very weak a lot of the time sgtdmski.

Hear Hear!

Greatly put sgt.

Eye for an Eye is all I can say.

You want facts, I will give you facts, just remember you were the one who first stated, "you are more likely to kill someone you know than a stranger." So let us find out what exactly your more likely means.

From the New England Journal of Medicine in 1986 pages 1557 - 1560 of the 43 times that a handgun was used to kill a family member, 37 of those instances were suicides, meaning that 6 family members killed someone they know. Considering that there are on average 10000 deaths due to hand guns per year that is a whopping .06% The journal also points out that the claim of 58% of murder victim's killed by acquaintences is flawed because included in the definition of acquaintences are cab drivers killed by customers, gang members who kill other gang members, prostitutes who kill their johns, and drug buyers who kill their pushers.

Chicago is the only the city that keeps statistics on the breakdown of acquaintances. Between 1990 and 1995 only 17% of victims were murdered by family members, friends, neighbors or roomates.

The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology from Northwest University School of Law, Volume 86 Number 1, Fall, 1995, of the some 2 million gun-defense incidents, 73% the attacker was a stranger to the victim.

So I guess when hev say more likely he actually means less than 20 percent, where as my more often than not, in reality means more than 70%. You want to play semantics fine, hev, but from now on, just like you constantly demand of me, you better back up what you say with statistics. Because obviously, seeing what your more likely actually means, you have no real clue of what really happens in the world.

dmk

Ouch... you really gave him the facts!