Georgia May Execute an Innocent Man... - Page 3

KnightOfSappho · 07-16-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PoliticalParalegal

Dear Ms Knight. You have the hook up for knowing
what's happening in the Criminal Justice system,and
I know that you should know the facts. That's what
makes you interesting on other forums, and I would
never argue anything you post.

Like myself, I am inside of the Criminal Justice system,
being involved with the laws of the land,and once a
person knows what he or she is talking about that's
living proof.

Here in Michigan there is more Blacks in the prison
population, and more are innocent. However there
is fewer Whites in prison serving BIG TIME, due to
the fact that most crimes are White shirt & tie crimes,
and most of them are committed by Whites.

I guess what I am saying is I hope the Brother's
life isn't taken unjustly. The Dept of Justice facts
isn't always correct as far as I am concerned.

It would be inappropriate for me to share the knowledge that I have in light of my job. This is one of the reasons that I ask others to cite their sources.

You and I agree that there is a sentencing disparity between people that are white and people of color. This, however, is not exactly what I am trying to focus on at this particular moment.

OhDear · 07-16-2007, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

Apples and oranges once again. Abortion and the death penalty are separate issues, unless you can prove to me and a jury the crime beyond a reasonable doubt that the unborn child committed. Until you can, get another mantra, cause you continue to look like a childish fool.

dmk

That the reply to this post by IC:

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Originally Posted by intangible child

You missed the info from your leader!

"America is a nation founded on the principle that all human life is sacred..... Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical."---G.W. Bush on the occasion of vetoing Congressional bill on stem cell research.. June 20, 2007

Apples and oranges aside, Sgt. With all due respect, please note the highlighted portion of the quoted text IC posted spoken by Pres. Bush.
Where are the qualifiers for the word "all"???

Do you not believe that all human life is sacred, Sir?

OD

CrazyFlamingos · 07-16-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

And how did you figure this gem?????

Almost 60% of all death penalty exectutions since 1976 have been white where whites only make up about 6% of prison populations. Where as blacks make up 65% of all prisoners, blacks account for only 34% of all executions.

dmk

Where did you get the 6% figure?

I have searched and been unable to find any source that gives a racial breakdown of prison populations in general.

CrazyFlamingos · 07-16-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

Apples and oranges aside, Sgt. With all due respect, please note the highlighted portion of the quoted text IC posted spoken by Pres. Bush.
Where are the qualifiers for the word "all"???

Do you not believe that all human life is sacred, Sir?

OD

OD, you raise an interesting question. (I know it was not addressed to me.)

Being an agnostic, I do not often use the word, sacred. But life, all life, in my opinion, is deserving of the utmost respect.

That is why, though I do support the death penalty, I support its use in only the most extreme circumstances. And only when there is such a degree of proof that it goes beyond the "no reasonable doubt" requirement.

IMO, this case, as we see it presented here, does not meet that requirement.

There are cases where I think that higher standard of proof has been met. Several notorious serial killers come to mind -- Gacy, Bundy, Rader.

Which brings me to the other part of what I consider necessary to justify the death penalty.

These were/are all people who killed for pleasure. They were/are all people who would continue to be dangerous as long as they are alive.

And just containing them within a prison does not neutralize them as a danger. So long as they have access to other humans they are a danger. Whether it be directly -- that is to other prisoners and guards. Or whether it be indirectly -- by corresponding with and encouraging others who are likeminded.

In addition to those who kill simply for pleasure there are those who see any human who stands in the way of their desires as expendable. I cannot think of any notorious examples of this. This type is usually found, I think, amongst the drug dealers and other career criminals.

These too, once it is firmly and undeniably established that they will continue to be a danger to others should be executed.

What disturbs me in the way the death penalty is oftentimes carried out is that, too often, it seems to be a matter of revenge. It seems that we want to ask, "What does this person deserve to have happen to him/her?"

I feel that the big question should be, "What sentence will best protect and serve society?"

And I do not believe that revenge is ever the appropriate answer to that question.

PoliticalWardog · 07-16-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KnightOfSappho

It would be inappropriate for me to share the knowledge that I have in light of my job. This is one of the reasons that I ask others to cite their sources.

You and I agree that there is a sentencing disparity between people that are white and people of color. This, however, is not exactly what I am trying to focus on at this particular moment.

Knight...I understand your point real clean, and I was not asking
you to speak on the terms of your job. I was just mentioning you,
due to the fact that the correct information is better then the
false information, and whatever your focus is I know it will offer
the right infomation.

Sometimes what a professional people knows ( not violating the
confidentiality rule) can help to cast a light onto a subject that
might be presenting false information. Which is the problem with
society today....to much mis-informed information.

CrazyFlamingos · 07-16-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KnightOfSappho

The first one shows a racial bias that indicated that people of color are executed more often, the second indicates that they are executed and nearly the same rate and the third I cannot access.

Are you and I looking at the same page?

Here is what I got from the first link.

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RACE OF DEFENDANTS EXECUTED IN THE U.S. SINCE 1976

BLACK
367
34%

HISPANIC
75
7%

WHITE
621
57%

OTHER
24
2%

Of course what I would like to see is the percentage of homicides commited by whites versus blacks. I suspect we would find that blacks are convicted of capital murder at a much higher rate than whites. And that whites more often are convicted of or plea to a lesser charge.

And I would still like to know where that whites equal 6% of the prison population comes from.

KnightOfSappho · 07-16-2007, 05:42 PM

My apologies...

I was reading the interracial murders and death row inmates on the lower half of the page.

KnightOfSappho · 07-16-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PoliticalParalegal

Knight...I understand your point real clean, and I was not asking
you to speak on the terms of your job. I was just mentioning you,
due to the fact that the correct information is better then the
false information, and whatever your focus is I know it will offer
the right infomation.

Sometimes what a professional people knows ( not violating the
confidentiality rule) can help to cast a light onto a subject that
might be presenting false information. Which is the problem with
society today....to much mis-informed information.

Okay. Sorry that I misunderstood.

I recently got done with a fairly detailed agrument on sentencing disparities on another board, and I'm just not willing to get into it again right now. If you want to do it, feel free.

Here is a handy reference:

(warning LARGE PDF)

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/scscf02.pdf

Tables 2.12 and 2.13 clearly show what you are referring to.

ClassWarrior · 08-08-2007, 07:56 AM

I definately agree, that we should abolish the death penalty. An eye for an eye makes us all blind; as Ghandi used to say.

PoliticalWardog · 08-12-2007, 02:32 PM

ClassicWarrior, To do away with the Death Penalty
would only increase the crime rates. There will be
more citizens who have NEVER owned a firearm will
be buying guns for protection.

I have losted faith in the Justice system here in
Michigan. Which is the reason why I am registered
to carry a 9mm and a 38short special. I believe
in the second admendment of the Constitution of
the United States (The Rights To Bare Arms).

However in this Georgia case..the case is so old
until I am willing to bet that some of the evidence
is un readible. Most of the false witnesses is die,
and according to the court of law A MAN IS INNOCENT
UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Meaning they can't execute
the man without proof.

If a case have established Physicial proof, and the
person is guilty...juice em.

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