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Capital Punishment Debate and defend your political beliefs on whether or not capital punishment is morally right.

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Old 08-24-2007, 04:29 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Support for the death penalty in the UK is now below 50%:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html

I don't call that a "huge majority".
You forgot to mention, that poll was conducted at a convention of vegetarian lifers in Whitemoor cat: A prison, March, Cambridgeshire. UK.
Old 08-25-2007, 04:58 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Exactly.

"It is better ten guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer."
-Sir William Blackstone

At least, if you later realize that a jailed person is innocent, you can release him/her. Pretty tough to do that if he/she has been executed.




I agree.

People will usually bring up the cost of life imprisonment here as a counter argument. The fact is, it actually costs more to execute someone, when you take into account all the legal work, appeals, court time, etc.

But even if it were cheaper, is that a justification?
We are killing this guy to save money?
Brings us right back to the "How much is human life worth?" discussion.

The other point, of course, is that prison is NOT for punishment.
It's for rehabilitation.
Pretty tough to try to rehabilitate a guy after a visit to the electric chair.
Yes, your points do have merit. But even if you were to release a wrongfully convicted person after say, ten years of imprisonment. Have you not already executed them in terms of destroying whatever life they might have been able to achieve for themselves and their families? I also live in Illinois, Forester. We've had more than our share of inmates wrongfully incarcerated for capital crimes. Many taken off of Death Row and released. What real life can these people have now? Realistically, nobody will hire them. They will always be looked upon with suspicion. In effect, their life has already been extinguished. Even worse, there is a limit to what these people can seek in damages.
Old 08-26-2007, 06:27 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Yes, your points do have merit. But even if you were to release a wrongfully convicted person after say, ten years of imprisonment. Have you not already executed them in terms of destroying whatever life they might have been able to achieve for themselves and their families? I also live in Illinois, Forester. We've had more than our share of inmates wrongfully incarcerated for capital crimes. Many taken off of Death Row and released. What real life can these people have now? Realistically, nobody will hire them. They will always be looked upon with suspicion. In effect, their life has already been extinguished. Even worse, there is a limit to what these people can seek in damages.
Didn't Illinois Governor Ryan commute all the Death Sentences awhile back? And didn't those that were fpund to be innocent, and released, get huge sums of money in their law suits against the state? I'm going from memory here but I think this is accuarate.

As for the OP: If asswhipes still commit heneous crimes, when the law is in affect, then it doesn't work.

Please see this thread for more on my view on this:

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/jud...ols-crime.html

Basicly I say Fry the sicko repeaters and educate the rest. Please take a look at the link.
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Old 08-26-2007, 09:14 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Didn't Illinois Governor Ryan commute all the Death Sentences awhile back? And didn't those that were fpund to be innocent, and released, get huge sums of money in their law suits against the state? I'm going from memory here but I think this is accuarate.

As for the OP: If asswhipes still commit heneous crimes, when the law is in affect, then it doesn't work.

Please see this thread for more on my view on this:

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/jud...ols-crime.html

Basicly I say Fry the sicko repeaters and educate the rest. Please take a look at the link.
Well, hello Ty! I was wondering where you had gotten off to- hadn't heard from you in awhile.
You are correct in that it was then-Governor Ryan who had these sentences commuted and the prisoners released. They were awarded some punitive damages; but what dollar amount can you put on destroying a man's life; and the life of a family he may have? Those monetary judgments were a joke, especially when you consider what a woman got a few years back when she burned herself by spilling a cup of coffee in her lap at a Mc Donald's.!
Old 08-26-2007, 09:21 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Old 08-26-2007, 09:37 AM   #56 (permalink)
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I did look at it, Ty. I think you brought up some very valid points. I responded to your post. I was much impressed that your thoughts come from common sense and not emotion or predjudice.Have you ever thought about becoming a judge? I think you'd make a damned fine one!BTW, I will be sending you the latest installment to my Hold E'm tips tomorrow(I'm still editing it). "How To Play a Deuce".
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