Defending the Truth

Originally Posted by foundit66

Act 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.
Act 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.


Acts 25:10-11 involves Paul, a Christian, talking to Festus, a Roman appointed by Nero.
Paul yields to the power of a NON-CHRISTIAN government. He stands in judgment before the Caesar who was also not Christian.

a) Paul never makes any statement that the possible death sentence would be just. It wasn't a Christian matter. It was a ROMAN matter dealing with a ROMAN law and a ROMAN sentence.
Jesus was put to a "death sentence". Does that mean he supported the death penalty?

b) Paul never says anything about whether or not the government had the RIGHT to put him to death.

c) Paul was a Roman subject to Roman laws. He made no statements as to the CHRISTIAN judgment of the ROMAN laws.




Jhn 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

a) He never said anything about "opposing" or "supporting" capital punishment in his case. He simply yielded to it, because that's supposedly what "the father" wanted.

b) He never said anything in this bible passage about not opposing capital punishment in his teachings.

c) I'm amazed at the significance you put on how he supposedly "does not say" something in THIS particular passage. There are other passages where he DOES EXPLICITLY say something in the context of capital punishment.


Jhn 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Jhn 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Jhn 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].
Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Jhn 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
Jhn 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Jesus was presented with a woman whereby JEWISH LAW EXPLICITLY stated she should be put to death. There is no real dispute on this.
Jesus's response was simple: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Once again, FoundNothing66 - the Fundamentalist Baptist Preacher - is mis-quoting and mis-applying the Bible.

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Good lord, does it NEVER end?

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Then was Jesus condoning her adultery?

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Or was there something bigger at play here? Tell me Mister Theologian!

Originally Posted by foundit66

And once again, Jefferson claims I am "misquoting" and "misapplying" while being COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of showing any conflicting interpretation, and showing NOTHING that I said that was wrong.

You mean you humping my posts?
Time will only tell.

AGAIN with the inane reading comprehension difficulties.
I said NOTHING about him condoning adultery.

If Jefferson were actually capable of reading and COMPREHENDING English, he could have seen that.

Jesus obviously saw it as a sin, judging by his follow-on comment to her.

Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

So tell me Jefferson. WHERE did I misquote? Where did I misapply?
What did I actually get wrong?

You claim I get it wrong, but then you do nothing but ask stupid questions and insult me.
And you complain that I'm a "post-humper".
LOL!

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Can you tell me why most of the earliest manuscripts don't even contain John 7:53-8:11?

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Over 90% of all violent crimes are committed by 7% of the criminals.

It sure would cut down on violent crimes if those 7% were dead.

Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds

Criminals who commit heinous crimes of murder should not have the right to life.

Originally Posted by brutalis07

I believe in an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth so this transfers over to a life for a life. If you are convicted of murder you should be put to death. Its not as inhuman as murdering the person in the first place because capital punishment is justified.

Originally Posted by brutalis07

To me capital punishment shouldn't be humane. It should be as bad and horrible as what the murders did to their victems.