Defending the Truth

But do you know of any case or cases where someone was put to death for their conviction of the DUI or Vehicular homicide? I'm not aware of such an instance; but since I am not a lawyer, I consulted mine and was answered by a big laugh.

Varuna...Can I ask you a realistic question? Do you wear glasses?
The reason why I asked that was Nuttyjoe's quote ended with the
words...Law of Society. The rest is what I posted, and what I
stated is true facts. Especially concerning the use of cellphones
while under the wheel.

Interestingly enough, there are studies being done that actually say that the death penalty IS a deterrent.

Studies spur new death penalty debate - Crime & Punishment - MSNBC.com

"
Anti-death penalty forces have gained momentum in the past few years, with a moratorium in Illinois, court disputes over lethal injection in more than a half-dozen states and progress toward outright abolishment in New Jersey.
The steady drumbeat of DNA exonerations — pointing out flaws in the justice system — has weighed against capital punishment. The moral opposition is loud, too, echoed in Europe and the rest of the industrialized world, where all but a few countries banned executions years ago.
What gets little notice, however, is a series of academic studies over the last half-dozen years that claim to settle a once hotly debated argument — whether the death penalty acts as a deterrent to murder. The analyses say yes. They count between three and 18 lives that would be saved by the execution of each convicted killer."

Now, I myself to agree with the death penalty in extreme cases. People who are unquestioningly guilty and unquestioningly evil, like Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and Wesley Allen Dodd. But there have been too many exonerations for me to agree with the death penalty in all cases.

And just to let you know, I have been personally touched by violent crime. I had a sister that was raped and murdered by 3 men. And no amount of revenge I might want to inflict on these men will get my sister back. Wanting revenge on them would only be hurting me.

I an=m truly sorry for your sister, Knotty. But I have to ask this? What is unquestioningly evil? A person cannot be put to death because of his thought process, no matter how twisted they might be. Charles Manson is probably the best example of this. A person, however, can be sentenced to die for commiting a vile crime in a state that has ratified the death penalty, but not within the borders of one that has not. Jeffrey Dahmer, anybody? That is why I still stand on the pedestal of due process. Even this can be a tricky point- I understand that - this is why we have seen so many exonerations lately. I live in Illinois, so I definitely am familiar with this.
Do I believe in the DP? Yes. Do I think it teaches or do I consider it revenge? No. I believe that as long as due process is observed, it is a way for society to remove a member of that society that is deemed fit to due because of their criminal actions. Now, I also believe that the exonerations ( where applicable) are part of that very due process. I cannot and never will support the idea of "drumhead trials".(Trials held simply to satisfy the given mood of the moment; where the defendant's guilt is predetermined.

I 'm laughing too at some of these posts. First of all no one is going to get the DP for Vehicular homicide or a DUI. There are differant degrees of murder and the punishment depends on the degree of murder comitted. First Degree Murder is the only one thawhere a person can recieve a Death Sentence and alot of times if they plead guilty w/o a trial they can bargain it to life which happens alot, for alot of the smaller counties can not afoord the expense of a DP trial. Andd it is cheap to exacute than to incarcerat unless they are old bad guys . ..

Thank you,Walkman. I think we are both trying to say here: Let the punishment fit the crime.

There was an interesting article in the last day or two about a case in Missouri where the guy was convicted of shooting the drug dealer that had killed his brother. The guy was put to death, and now it seems that some of the witnesses were coerced or flat out lied.

This was the only killing the guy was convicted of, yet he was put to death? Somehow that doesn't seem right. And it might turn out he was innocent anyway.

Our system is so flawed. Witnesses make mistakes all the time, cops don't play by the rules, prosecuters go off on their own tangents (as we saw in the Duke lacrosse case), so unless there is indisputable proof of someone's guilt (like dead bodies buried in a crawl space or heads in the refrigerator) I don't think the DP should be applied.