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Old 03-02-2008, 02:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Jesus also said

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s

Clearly showing that even recognizes the right of the state to make and enforce its own laws.

While Jesus did save the adultress from her crime and challenged that he who was without sin to cast the first stone, he also told the women to go forth and sin no more.

Christians who support the death penalty are rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Like it or not, our Constitution is very clear, it establishes a death penalty. But that Constituion also has protections for those who might be accused, the right to a fair trial, the right to a trial by one's peers, the right to counsel, and the right not to incriminate one's self. Abortion has none of those safeguards.

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Old 03-02-2008, 09:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Jesus also said

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s

Clearly showing that even recognizes the right of the state to make and enforce its own laws.

While Jesus did save the adultress from her crime and challenged that he who was without sin to cast the first stone, he also told the women to go forth and sin no more.

Christians who support the death penalty are rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Like it or not, our Constitution is very clear, it establishes a death penalty. But that Constituion also has protections for those who might be accused, the right to a fair trial, the right to a trial by one's peers, the right to counsel, and the right not to incriminate one's self. Abortion has none of those safeguards.

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If the Constitution supported laws about gun ownership, which are clearly un-Christian, should Christians dismiss these as "rendering unto Caesar".

I think not.

Jesus was talking specifically about taxation in your quote, why do you assume his words should reinforce the American principle of separating church and state? How convenient!!!

Christians should not automatically be prepared to surrender their principles to the whims of man-made laws.

Old 03-03-2008, 06:56 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I agree. And it is like Jesus to forgive the sinner, but that does not mean that you let him go roam freely to kill again. They have to be incarcerated to eradicate the threat. But I don't agree with state sanctioned murder.
Old 03-03-2008, 08:02 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I agree. And it is like Jesus to forgive the sinner, but that does not mean that you let him go roam freely to kill again. They have to be incarcerated to eradicate the threat. But I don't agree with state sanctioned murder.
I bet your opinion would change if your whole family were killed by some serial murderer.
Old 03-03-2008, 08:07 AM   #15 (permalink)
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And that is where I stand on it too. Though I suspect that you and I might head in radically different directions in how we would elaborate on that point.

I think there is a large percentage of murderers who committed murder under extreme circumstances that they will probably never face again in their lifetime. Those people, in my opinion, can be rehabilitated and deserve a second chance.

But mass murderers, serial killers, and career criminals for whom murder is just part of the job need to be to be "put down" for the safety of society.
We are actually in agreement here. I know if I were to kill someone in a crime of passion, or, say, kill someone from driving drunk, the punishment I would impose on myself would save the justice system a lot of money and trouble.

I'm a bit old-fashioned in that I take full responsibility for the actions I take and the decisions I make. If somebody innocent died as a direct result of my negligence, I would take my own life.
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No Pen, my opinion wouldn't change. I know that my loved one would not come back if their killer was killed. Emotionally, I'm sure I would be able to kill them with my own hands, but that isn't the way I believe things should be done.
Old 03-03-2008, 10:38 AM   #17 (permalink)
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No Pen, my opinion wouldn't change. I know that my loved one would not come back if their killer was killed. .
That's not the point of killing someone who should be killed. You kill them so they don't kill more people. It really isn't that hard of a concept to grasp.
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No, I think that as long as they are locked up, then society is safe from them killing again. I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I can grasp your concept, I just don't agree with it.
Old 03-03-2008, 10:53 AM   #19 (permalink)
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No, I think that as long as they are locked up, then society is safe from them killing again. I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I can grasp your concept, I just don't agree with it.
Yeah, but then you have to feed them and house them and all they're going to do is turn into more viscious animals than they were before. What's the fucking use? You actually be doing them a favor by putting them to death - as long as you don't take twenty fucking years to do it. Face it, there are people who deserve to be killed. You don't need permission from some old man in the sky to do so.
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I don't reason that it's against God to do so. I feel that killing someone for killing someone, doesn't make sense. And with our present system, there are far too many problems to kill someone because of evidence presented, that could be corrupt or tainted. And locking them up costs less than killing them, to counter your argument, I don't care about the cost. I feel it is society's job to remove the threat, and it can do so by imprisoning them.
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