Defending the Truth

I do Love this country and our government is still breaking the law. You seem to think that because we are at war this is O.K. It is not. This country stands for more than that. You just want me to shut up and do as I am told because you once again said this is what is right. You sound so much like the damn President sometimes. He says what he says because he wants people to not talk about the laws being ignored. You seem to actually think that is a good thing. I pointed out that your statement that we should kill the civilians the insurgents are hiding behind was bogus because that is exactly what we have been doing. I simply challenged your statement.
Seem like you guys think it is ok to say whatever you want but when someone challenges your statement they are underminding the war effort. This subject we are on is about what you said. Since you brought it up.....who is responsible here? You think I am supporting those who weaken our war effort simply because I disagreed with you. Posting your patented Conservative dribble is contributing to the thing you say your against.
You have already stated that any idea put forth by a liberal you hate and never will agree with. It seems to me the true meaning of these word have slipped past you. It means that you don't even care if the idea makes sense. It means that you are never going to get what is being said to you unless it is by whom you consider non-liberal. It means you are helping to divide this nation. It means you are unwilling to give an inch, which is what this country is founded on, compromise between people that disagree. Why should we even bother talking to you anymore if you insist on being part of this problem that continues to divide our nation?
Maybe you should stop posting garbage and then people won't challenge your statements so much. Try being a little open-minded. I have no problem with your veiws, You have a right to them, but lately you have been posting some serious propganda not written by you. Maybe some people will chill out if you make an attempt to not be so all mighty and always claim to be right about every issue when you are talking to a liberal. Your opinion is really what it is all about not some copy and paste from a known consevative radical(which you have been doing alot of lately).
I don't agree with all the truely radical liberals. I think some of what is being said is true, which I guess is ok as long as I don't challenge the words of the administration? I will believe what I think makes sense. I also think some of the things being said by the conservatives are true. At least I can admit it and say that they are right too sometimes.
Basicly you want me to shut up and get in line. This will not happen, ever. Your attempts to control everyone else really is not very American.
I will continue to speak up about what I believe. This is how America, in war time or not, works, no matter what you believe. Until this right is taken from me legally, I will exercise it.
I will also continue to feel that anyone who promotes division between Americans is hurting our country and our war effort. Please explain to me why you think it is not!!!

I say we get back on topic (still waiting for a response to the point I made ).

This term is being used by more than the media!
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The Nature of the Iraqi Insurgency
Written by: Ahmed S. Hashim, PhD.
Center for Naval Warfare Studies


What is the U.S. facing in Iraq? Politically neutral yet accurate terminology is crucial. The key term here is insurgency, which refers to a violent uprising by a population or segment thereof of a given state against their own government or foreign power in occupation of their country. In this study I use the term “low-level, localized and decentralized insurgency” to describe a situation wherein a myriad number of political groups have engaged in widespread acts of violence in order to disrupt and remove the U.S. presence in Iraq.

The above description of the insurgency in Iraq merits further clarification. To call the ongoing violence in Iraq “low-level” depends in part upon proximity. The insurgency may not seem “low-level” to the U.S. ground troops who have been faced with an average of 12 attacks per day. Still, the attacks are sporadic, the deadly ones few, and many attacks do not end with casualties on either side. In an insurgency, even insurgent attacks that do not succeed (i.e., do not kill soldiers of the opposing side or destroy material) are still significant because the insurgent seeks disruption and instability, while the government or the foreign power seeks normality and stability.

The insurgency is localized. It is largely confined to one part of the country, the center; and of a particular part of the center. It is not yet national; therefore, it is still not a war of national resistance against a foreign occupation (but is it now in 2006?). It is decentralized in that it is being conducted by a large number of groups, many of whom are ideologically different from one another and do not cooperate with one another.

http://www.mideasti.org/articles/doc89.html

You haven't really said much at all here. You have posted things similar to this. "Weakens our effort" and "undermin[ing] the war effort under the guise of patriotism" seem to be buzz phrases for you. What exactly are you talking about? You have no information for statements like this to be grounded in anything. For example, you claim up and down that the NY Times keeps committing treason because of a few articles they have published - yet you never explain how. You just say it helps the terrorists. You say they didn't know but know now. No information about the articles preventing the government from stopping an attack or anything. These claims are so loosely based and you have nothing in the way of evidence.

Everyone breaks the law in war. Why is it more important for you that America obeys every little law and the enemy doesn't have to? do you really think that is how you win a war. You are wrong my friend. You do not know history about war in America. Yes, shut up and let the soldiers do their job and get it done so we win and get this over as soon as possible so fewer soldiers are killed by you making sure this drags on as long as possible because America has to be sure to obey every law you like. Nice. Talk to some soldiers and see how many agree with you and report back.

What part about the Iraqi people hate us more than the terrorists don't you get? You can run that conservative patented bullshit all day and none of it is going to change our current situation in Iraq. We will never be ready to leave because we are not doing things the right way. The Iraqi people are not as stupid as you would like to believe.
Our country has laws for a reason. Your words are actually treasonous when you come right down to it. You seem to think they are in place to be broken in time of war. Not the case.
I have said nothing that is going to stop our soldiers from doing there job. This statement shows you are talking out of the wrong hole again. You just like to sound important and it doesn't really matter to you if what you say makes no sense. Where you came up with this babble I don't know. Our boys are doing what they are told. I love how you presume to know who I have talked to. You run your mouth from some little town and then act like you have been around and talked to a bunch of soldiers. Give it a rest. I lived in fountain CO for two years and I can tell you with absolute certainty that not as many of our boys are on board, with the reasons for being there, as you think. They are following orders and because of the nature of the military rules they can't speak up in public. They all know what is right and wrong but are forced to remain quite or be court marshalled.
Here is are some posts from months ago written by someone who is in Psyc-ops and knows alot more about this than you do:
And here is one I posted and he answered to:
And here's a link for another post if you want to read for yourself:
http://defendingthetruth.com/showthr...9447#post19447

I dont' believe the Iraqi people hate us more than the terrorists. You do. What arrogance. So I run my mouth from some little town. What the hell does it matter if I live in a little town, the hills, or a big city? You just showed your arrogance and prejudice with that statement. You think all of us who live in the country are stupid and hicks? Who do you think is the backbone of this country? College professors and the liberal elite? Man have you got a lot to learn. How many laws do you think were broken in WWI or WWII? No one cares. In 30 years, no one is going to care about broken laws in this war either. All people are going to care about is whether we won or not. That is all that matters. It's a war, not cribbage.

In a lot of jobs I had I thought the boss was nuts or wrong also. Soldiers can have their opinion, but they ENLISTED to do a job. No one was forced to join. Grow up.

First, as far as our soldiers go, unlike Tadpole, I am no longer in the active service. I however, still have many friends who remain in infantry units throughout the country. I have friends that to this day are serving in the 82d
Airborne Division. All told, I have some 32 friends that are either currently serving in Iraq, or who have served and face the possiblity of returning. TO A MAN, not one of them, opposes why we are there or what we are doing. TO A MAN, not one is ashamed of the actions they have undertaken in fighting this war. TO A MAN, not one of them believes that the media is portraying the true picture of what is happening.

A lot of talk has been made recently of polls that show the Iraqi people want American forces out of the country. Yes the polls that CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, and even the NY Times use that show 80% of the Iraqi people want Americans to leave their country are accurate, however, they are misleading. By adding one word to the question, the poll does a drastic change. If the question is asked do you want American troops to withdraw from Iraq NOW, the number drops to a mere 29%.

As far as GITMO is concerned, everyone wants to see the facility closed, including the administration. However, there is a slight problem, many of the host countries of the prisoners in GITMO do not want the prisoners returned to their country. Furthermore, their are Chinese dissidents who joined the Taliban and who oppose the current regime in China who do not wish to be returned for fear of losing their lives. What do we do with these individuals. Instead of harping about how GITMO makes our country look, or how it breaks the law, or any of the other bullshit, why not come up with a plan to close it. But remember, the ulitmate goal is for these individuals who are currently detained not to be released and rejoin the fighting, nor to be returned to a country where they may face the loss of their life. So come up with an idea, or quit harping on it. Without providing a solution to the problem, your dissent is worthless.

dmk

A very good point!

People put WAY WAY WAY TOO MUCH STOCK in polls.

Finally some truth and facts from someone who knows. Thanks.