The word "NOW" is very important to that issue, as you pointed out.
A majority want the U.S. out of Iraq.
Those who want us out NOW are in the minority.
(I think this was echoed in the recent Congressional vote on the issue. I think those few who joined the vote for getting out "NOW" were being foolish and short-sighted. Both politically and from a reality stand-point.)

But that doesn't detract from the fact that the majority DO want us out of Iraq.

Because apparently you can't provide it yourself? Seriously, I thank sgt for a more intelligent debate and bringing up some facts and proof. You're a human being Alias, you have the ability to provide evidence and facts as sgt has.

Then what's the argument?

Really, it's just an argument over the word "WHEN", isn't it?

If you guys think any of the troops that doubt our mission in Iraq are going to talk about it to other soldiers and risk being charged you are all way more naive than I thought. I worked at a public auction and dealt with soldiers from Ft. Carson all the time. I have heard different results than sgt. Not to say everyone in the military questions what is going down but I know for fact that not all are not down with our bullying, lying, polluting, and conquering. I love how you guys try and argue a case like you are sure of every single word you say.
Alias,
You start out arguing that we should just kill the civilians the insurgents are hiding behind. I point out that this is what we are already doing and you just didn't like that. I provide proof of the numbers of civilian deaths at our hands and then you try and change the subject to Patriotism. I point out that to continue arguing amongs ourselves as Americans is pretty stupid. You didn't like that either because then you would have to actually think about what is being said by the other guys(in this case the liberal), which sometimes you don't even finish reading.
Hear is the bottom line You, nor I, run the show. We both have opinions which we are both entitled to. You say only your opinion is correct and don't want to even consider anyone elses. Then you get pissed when someone mentions the word Fascist. Sounds more like a comedy than a debate forum. Civilized debate is not what we do here. You seem to think that your shitty, mean, callous, and pushy form of debate is a good thing. You just prove that people like you cannot be reasoned with. I think that you should consider what I have said and just debate the issues. You'd seem way more intelligent and much less fascist! I will be glad to debate you with no labels if you think you can do the same thing.

To some degree, I agree with you. It is an argument over the word "when".

Also an argument over the COMMITTMENT to withdraw our troops. To date, Bush has repeatedly refused to give any sort of idea on what circumstances or when the troops will be coming home.

If a neighbor borrowed your blender, and refused to tell you when he would give it back to you, would you find that annoying?
But if he told you "I can return it next week" or "I will return it after the party I am having later this month", it's a much more acceptable situation.

Bush has repeatedly demonstrated a refusal to answer questions over this war. And personally, if I trusted his judgment I would be less inclined to care.
But considering how many MASSIVE screw-ups and lies we have seen over this Iraq war, I don't see why these simple questions shouldn't be asked.

I think especially, in this case, if not to make sure that Bush himself is considering the questions and figuring out an answer to them, or just bumbling along...

Hope that's not the end to this discussion!

Hey, I'm just like you. I do the best I can. I could really expect more from you but I don't make a point of pointing it out. You just don't like me because I am direct and not wordy. Well, exxxxxxxxxxcccccuuuuuuussssseeeee meeeeeeeeeeeee.

For a military person, sometimes I really have to wonder about you. Don't you realize that if we set a date for a pullout, the enemy will just sit back until we are gone and then resume their terror? They are trying to drive us out. Why waste bodies and bombs if they know we are leaving on a certain date? For cripes sake man.

However depressing that might be, I believe Alias is somewhat correct here. However, one thing which I believe is true that Alias doesn't acknowlege is that we did have our chance to pull out. About a year ago was when I believe we had our last chance. Ever since then the situation has elevated to heights that if we pull out, we would only cause violence and quite possibly a power vacuum in the region. But I don't think a country like Iran would move in because that would just entice us to move back in with full force.

However, the US forces had and continue to have a catalyst effect for the escalating violence and inner conflict between sects which many are now calling civil war. It is this effect that our occupation is having, rather than its intended purpose of bringing order. Thus is why the amount of violence and terror is escalating as opposed to being eradicated. I believe if we had pulled out long ago and made the Iraqis take charge before this sectarian violence and this overwhelming hate for the United States, I believe that a peaceful transfer could have happened. However, even that might have not been likely due to the administration disbanding the Iraqi Army, which was possibly the largest mistake in the entire war.

So we have been put into a situation that no matter what we do, we will do harm. It is just that there have been so many horrible mistakes, and so much damaging war profitiering that put us in this situation where we have to pick the lesser of the evils. I feel that staying the current coarse is the worse thing to do, and pulling out immediately probably the second worse thing we could do. I think we should change policy, set timetables so commanders and troops on the ground actually have something to set for, and end in sight. I believe that will get more Iraqis to stand up. I mean, its really the same in everything. You have to have long term objectives to aim for, or else you're just woundering around aimlessly, and nothing will get done. I mean, of coarse many soldiers would be in despair, the US military is building 14 permanant bases in Iraq. That's pretty depressing if you ask me. Because I'm sure everyone wants to get out of there, its just that some want the job done first and others don't.

Iraq is the Key. It's right in the middle of that cesspool. You work from the inside out and that is the plan. It's gonna be a while.