Permanent Lockdown: Torture?

waitingtables · 11-12-2007, 02:07 PM

I didn't say that my compassion was the reason for not believing in the death penalty. It isn't. And why do you think sentencing them to prison is a fate worse then death? That is what you get when you kill someone. My judgement isn't clouded.

CrazyFlamingos · 11-12-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

I didn't say that my compassion was the reason for not believing in the death penalty. It isn't. And why do you think sentencing them to prison is a fate worse then death? That is what you get when you kill someone. My judgement isn't clouded.

Don't mind PC. He has his panties all in a wad over loud mortars and helicopters.

But he is right that life in prison is worse than death.

waitingtables · 11-13-2007, 06:46 AM

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

pensacola_niceman · 11-13-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

I didn't say that my compassion was the reason for not believing in the death penalty. It isn't. And why do you think sentencing them to prison is a fate worse then death? That is what you get when you kill someone. My judgement isn't clouded.

I'm definitely with you on "that's what you get when you kill someone." I can personally say that I would rather be dead than spending my life in prison getting stabbed and raped by disgusting people.

pensacola_niceman · 11-13-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

Don't mind PC. He has his panties all in a wad over loud mortars and helicopters.

But he is right that life in prison is worse than death.

Are you suggesting that loud mortars and helicopters are affecting my judgement? Perhaps you're right. The private security helicopters fly so fucking low that my whole room shakes when they are overhead.

bfrazz1 · 02-19-2008, 02:27 PM

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I'm definitely with you on "that's what you get when you kill someone." I can personally say that I would rather be dead than spending my life in prison getting stabbed and raped by disgusting people.

As an opponent of capital punishment, I think it is ludicrous to say that the concept of serving life without parole is worse than death. As a civilized people we should not commit state sanctioned murder, period. But we should not hesitate to commit violent offenders to life sentences - even if they perceive that as worse than death. The only exception should be if new evidence arises after the verdict that would have had a profound influence on the outcome of the trial, like DNA or the admission (proveable of course) of the crime by another.

Don't kill them but surely severely punish the offender.

CrazyFlamingos · 02-19-2008, 02:48 PM

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But we should not hesitate to commit violent offenders to life sentences - even if they perceive that as worse than death.

So you are against the death penalty but you are not against punishing a person in a manner that the person being punished perceives as worse than death.

Forgive me but I fail to see the logic behind that.

waitingtables · 02-19-2008, 02:57 PM

It doesn't really matter what the person's perception is. It is all about what a society's collective perception is, and that is usually how to best ensure the safety of that society. Life in prison for murder is not cruel and unusaul punishment.

CrazyFlamingos · 02-19-2008, 03:14 PM

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It doesn't really matter what the person's perception is. It is all about what a society's collective perception is, and that is usually how to best ensure the safety of that society. Life in prison for murder is not cruel and unusaul punishment.

I assume that was in response to my post. I am merely questioning how the poster whom I responded to can consider the death penalty on a lower moral plane than a form of punishment -- in this case life in prison -- that is perceived as more cruel by the prisoner.

I did not express any opinion at all as to the cruel and unusual aspects of life imprisonment.

waitingtables · 02-19-2008, 03:38 PM

Oh, my bad then! Sorry.