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Old 05-08-2006, 08:40 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Just because a sperm is conceived out of absolute luck does that make it automactically human? I didn't make that decision Fetus: An animal in the later stage of development before birth. In humans, the fetal stage is the from the end of the third month until birth. Child: A child (plural: children) is a young human. Abortion:medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus. Still think it's a child?
I know a LOT of people who were born anywhere from 3 weeks to 3 MONTHS pre-mature.

Still think it's NOT a child?

Your argument is typical of NARAL and others who vehemently demand that abortion be available to all people for any and all reasons - and refuse to admit the FACT that 99% of all abortions are nothing more than post-conception birth control. And you have to come up with "non-human" terms to make yourselves feel better about the FACT that humans are being murdered.
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Old 05-08-2006, 08:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I am being consistent.
So... is the "fetus" at 7 months of gestation a human, or not?

How about the "fetus" that is at 6 months of gestation?

Or maybe the "fetus" that is at 5 months of gestation?


There are thousands (probably millions) of FETUSES who were born at these stages of pregnancy - and lived - and not only lived, but are now normal adult human beings.

Still not humans?
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So... is the "fetus" at 7 months of gestation a human, or not?

How about the "fetus" that is at 6 months of gestation?

Or maybe the "fetus" that is at 5 months of gestation?


There are thousands (probably millions) of FETUSES who were born at these stages of pregnancy - and lived - and not only lived, but are now normal adult human beings.

Still not humans?

I am for first trimester abortions only. I think it is a fair compromise.
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I know a LOT of people who were born anywhere from 3 weeks to 3 MONTHS pre-mature.

Still think it's NOT a child?

Your argument is typical of NARAL and others who vehemently demand that abortion be available to all people for any and all reasons - and refuse to admit the FACT that 99% of all abortions are nothing more than post-conception birth control. And you have to come up with "non-human" terms to make yourselves feel better about the FACT that humans are being murdered.
You obviously don't know much about pregnancy do you? Fetus: In humans, the fetal stage is the from the end of the third month until birth. So if children are being born at 6 months they arent fetuses. But up untill the end of the third month they are. As for murder riddle me this. If a 14 year old has been raped and gets pregnant and because of your anti-abortion law has to have the baby and dies in labour and the baby dies aswell is that what you call justice?
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To say it's unconstitutional is BS.

It's more accurate to say - from a moral and psychological position - that we should not execute minors.

First; they likely don't fully understand the ramifications of their actions.
Second; there is a greater degree of likelihood that a minor could be helped and/or reformed.

But to say it's unconstitutional? BS
Well, unfortunately for you, every single law in America needs to have a constitutional basis. So, putting the death penalty for minors under cruel and unusual punishment, in that respect, is accurate and reasonable.

You can't just pass a law because it would be moral or ethical.
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I am for first trimester abortions only. I think it is a fair compromise.
May people don't realize that they are pregnant in the first trimester. Then what?
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You obviously don't know much about pregnancy do you? Fetus: In humans, the fetal stage is the from the end of the third month until birth. So if children are being born at 6 months they arent fetuses. But up untill the end of the third month they are. As for murder riddle me this. If a 14 year old has been raped and gets pregnant and because of your anti-abortion law has to have the baby and dies in labour and the baby dies aswell is that what you call justice?
Didn't you earlier say that you're 14?

I'm the father of 3 children - two of whom are grown and one is nearly grown. Don't EVEN be so utterly STUPID as to lecture me about not knowing much about pregnancy.

Riddle me this: How many 14-year olds end up pregnant as a result of rape? How many of them who are pregnant LIE and say they were raped?

Pregnancy as a result of rape and/or incest accounts for less than 1% of all abortions - and even many of the "supposed" rape/incest cases are VERY suspect.


You're believing lies.
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May people don't realize that they are pregnant in the first trimester. Then what?
Then KILL THE BABY! KILL THE BABY!

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Well, unfortunately for you, every single law in America needs to have a constitutional basis. So, putting the death penalty for minors under cruel and unusual punishment, in that respect, is accurate and reasonable.

You can't just pass a law because it would be moral or ethical.
And unfortunately for YOU, the Supreme Court, that is now "conservative", is the major decider in what is and is not constitutional.

As for your other "assumption", I am not, in any way, in favor of the death penalty for minors. I've been making a point that has obviously gone over your head.
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As for your other "assumption", I am not, in any way, in favor of the death penalty for minors. I've been making a point that has obviously gone over your head.

It wasn't even CLOSE to a point.

Comparing a child that is to be executed with a mothers choice of not supporting a zygote is not going to get you far.

It went under the table, not over the head if anything.


Unless we are cooking chickens here:

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