You haven't answered my question, have you?

Is it a baby at 5-months' gestation? Keep in mind that the "baby/fetus" can live outside the womb at that point.

Is it a baby at 5-months' gestation?


And what about 20 years from now, when babies at 3-months' gestation are living outside the womb? Will they be "humans" then?


Your answers, please!

I only support first trimester abortions.

In humans, parturition normally occurs at a gestational age of 37 to 42 weeks. Childbirth occurring before 37 weeks of gestation is considered preterm and has been associated with 70% of neonatal mortality and 75% of morbidity. A preterm fetus is considered viable only if it is delivered after the 28th week of gestation; before this age, those major developmental events that would allow the fetus to survive outside the womb have not occurred.

Neither of us could possibly answer th e first two questions. A certain human is more important than a questionable one. If you can scientifically prove with some sort of scientific criteria that the whatever is a baby, or isn't a baby, then by all means, do so. Until you can prove it's human, you shouldn't be able to condemn people for drawing their own conclusions about their own bodies, and making their own decisions.

As for the last question, babies who are born six months early rarely survive. If they do, they usually face complications like blindness, mental retardation, brain damage, respiratory difficulties, and heart problems, among other problems.

Here is a chart for survival changes, assuming that the parents have enough money to pay the medical bills.

* 21 weeks or less: 0% survival rate

* 22 weeks: 0-10% survival rate

* 23 weeks: 10-35% survival rate

* 24 weeks: 40-70% survival rate

* 25 weeks: 50-80% survival rate

* 26 weeks: 80-90% survival rate

* 27 weeks: greater than 90% survival rate

Fair enough.

HOWEVER, one of the main arguments of the pro-abortionists is that the baby cannot survive outside the mother's womb.

Well... WHEN that becomes untrue of a baby at 3-months' gestation, WHAT THEN? The argument is destroyed.

First of all, you've already stated that you will kill the unborn baby any day and any way, if it is of convenience to the pregnant woman. Therefore, your arguments are rather meaningless to me. You've already justified murder. Period.

Second, your "certain" versus "questionable" human argument is pure BS. Being pregnant does NOT kill a woman. In fact, it RARELY does. With modern medicine, it ALMOST NEVER does. Can you even tell me when you last heard of a woman dying because of pregnancy and/or child-birth? I know you'll scrape up something on some NARAL site, but it's still BS. It virtually NEVER happens in the US.

Third, you're posting medical percentages based on CURRENT information. I already said that I'm talking about 10-20 years down the road. Why does that matter? Because we're currently saving pre-mature babies that, just 20 years ago, were not able to live.

Just out of curiousity, why do you bother debating? You seem to have already made up your mind, and you're such an asshole to everyone that you don't convince anyone of your viewpoint.

You're one of those people that shouts at the TV, aren't you?

Jefferson I don't think anyone here denies the potential of it to develope into a baby. Obviously in months time, chances are it will develope into a baby. But just because it has this potential doesn't mean it is a human being. Going by your logic would mean that men destroy entire civilizations when they masturbate. Obviously, each sperm has a potential to give life...but I don't see "pro-life" groups seeing to the banning of masturbation. There's the same concept that the sperm in a man's body is a part of his body and therefore he may procede to wack-off.

And Dylan, agreed. I've been saying that, but when I do, people bash me for doing so. I'm not the one being rude to Jefferson here.

Nope, I really don't shout much at all.

Nice try at mind-reading though...


And as for convincing anybody of my viewpoint? That is NEVER my goal. I KNOW that people like you - who are pro-abortion for any and every silly reason - are NOT open to ANYthing else.

What does masturbation have to do with anything? Sperm is NOT a pre-born baby. Go back to Biology 101.

And feel free to masturbate all you want. I'm not much interested in that.

People like me? Really, what sort of person am I Jefferson? You've already called me a baby-hater, which is catagorically false. Now you're lumping me in with what... Progressives? Communists? I'm all ears.

I'm a very openminded person. That's why I enjoy debate. Because I learn things from it.