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Old 05-10-2006, 08:27 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Dude seriously... Considering the violation of your body an abortion actually is, how can it possibly ever be a matter of convenience. Are you telling me that an abortion is preffered to taking a pill or putting on a condom?
i would really like the source where you get this info.
No woman would ever prefer a surgical procedure to a pill. It's just not possible. That's would just be downright crazy.
I think it's cool if you say that nobody should get an abortion. And i think everybody agrees with you. But i think its particularly ignorant of you to claim that it is a matter of convenience. there is nothing remotely convenient or comfortable about an abortion. It's a serious decision.. not a whim.
MA (Welfare) pays for abortions.
It does not pay for contraceptives.

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Old 05-10-2006, 08:27 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Sure I'm 14, as for your stupidity you clearly misunderstood me. I don't care if there is a 1% chanche does that girl still deserve a chanche to die after all shes been through?
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Old 05-10-2006, 08:38 AM   #83 (permalink)
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1. Abortion is not an industry. It is a medical procedure. I believe I've already indicated my support for counciling and a waiting period. Not having parental notification doesn't make it a 'quicky abortion.'
2. You're right, I did. However, you're also making a lot of assumptions, which I have proceeded to refute, such as being a heartless baby hater or whatever.
3. The vast majority of abortions are due to mistakes. I am quite aware of that fact. I am also aware that married women statistically have the most abortions. This may suprise you, but most women are pretty good at telling whether it's a good time to have a baby or not. The desperate doesn't just include those poor people who have been the victims of rape and/or incest. Desperate can mean the woman doesn't have enough money to support another child comfortably, or the family simply doesn't want another child. Most people don't have an abortion before trying anything else.
4. You're right. I am not a parent, because at this point in my life, I feel that I am not ready to be a parent. However, a premature baby is still born... albeit prematurely. Once that baby is born, it is no longer connected to the body of the woman, and therefore no longer a part of the woman's body. If you cut off your hand, it isn't your hand anymore.
5. How clearly? Prove it. I don't think it's that clear, and neither do the approximate half of all Americans that believe that abortion should be legal. If it's so clear, everyone, or at least a majority, would agree. I don't know when life begins, but I do know when a whatever stops physically imposing on its mother, and that's after birth.
6. Many people believe they are the same. If they chose to impose their will on you, it would also be the same. It's their ethics against yours, and your ethics against mine. I fail to see the difference, except for which position you happen to be in under the circumstances.
7. This is a debate website. It is designed for debate. I am debating.
1. Abortion IS a major money-making industry. Planned Parenthood brings in hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Doctors make millions of dollars annually. If in doubt, about anything, ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL.
2. So you say you support abortion for any and every reason, but you also love the unborn? Not sure how those to belief systems can co-exist.
3. Define a mistake? Is it a couple that's just having sex, without contraceptives, and find out they're pregnant? Golly gee! I made a "mistake" 20 years ago, when I bought a new car. I couldn't afford it, but I had to deal with my "mistake". And guess what? Nobody died as a result!
4. That argument makes no sense at all. If it is a baby OUTSIDE the womb, it is a baby INSIDE the womb. "When I sit down to take a dump, when does my crap actually become poop?"
5. If you don't think it's clear when a pre-born child's life begins, how DARE you arbitrarily decide that it's okay to end a pregnancy for any and every reason, at any and every stage of the pregnancy? Isn't that pretty self-contradictory?
6. So what you're saying is that you believe there is no such thing as absolute right or wrong - or absolute truth of falsehood. Nice.
7. No, actually this is NOT a debate website. Think about it. NOBODY comes here to engage in open-minded debate. I don't, and neither do you. It might as well be admitted that what this forum REALLY is is a RANT site.
Old 05-10-2006, 08:54 AM   #84 (permalink)
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MA (Welfare) pays for abortions.
It does not pay for contraceptives.

Get it?
HAHAHAHAHA.. dude are you serious??

Do you really believe that to save the couple of bucks any type of contraceptives cost, women knowingly put themselves through surgery?? Not to mention all the other crappy stuff that comes along with it??

How vile humans are in your world. Seriously dude. that's just crazy talk.

You got plenty of other valid arguments. I just picked this one up because it's non-sensical, unsubstantiated and completely not in touch with reality
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Old 05-10-2006, 11:46 AM   #85 (permalink)
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HAHAHAHAHA.. dude are you serious??

Do you really believe that to save the couple of bucks any type of contraceptives cost, women knowingly put themselves through surgery?? Not to mention all the other crappy stuff that comes along with it??

How vile humans are in your world. Seriously dude. that's just crazy talk.

You got plenty of other valid arguments. I just picked this one up because it's non-sensical, unsubstantiated and completely not in touch with reality
Dude...

You're not looking at reality, dude.
The pro-abortion crowd talks constantly in circles, dude.
Millions of couples want to adopt babies, dude. Why not let them, dude? Why keep killing the babies that people want to adopt, dude?

Are you going to deny that MA pays for abortions, dude?
Are you going to deny that the vast, vast majority of abortions are simply because the pregnancy is inconvenient or at a bad time, dude?
Why don't you try to argue for when a pre-born baby becomes a human, dude? Isn't it because you really have NO IDEA, and you're unwilling to admit what everybody knows - that the "life outside the womb" argument is not legitimate?
Are you willing to look beyond the Planned Parenthood pamphlet for awhile, dude?
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Not even worth responding to...
Maybe it's because you have nothing to go on. You realize that your fighting a losing battle.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:13 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Maybe it's because you have nothing to go on. You realize that your fighting a losing battle.
Okay, I WILL respond to said quote:
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Sure I'm 14, as for your stupidity you clearly misunderstood me. I don't care if there is a 1% chanche does that girl still deserve a chanche to die after all shes been through?
My youngest child is older than you. You are a teenager - and it is medically proven that teenagers' brains are not fully developed and consequentally are not capable of dealing with much of what is called reality. You do not provide your own living, nor do you pay your own way. You pay little, if any, taxes. You do not provide for a family but are, rather, at this stage of your life, a sponge. You have the luxury of being protected from the real evils of the real world. Not only that, you are spewing crap based on nothing more than opinion, what teachers have crammed down your throat, and what you've read in textbooks.

Real life is something quite different.

In the real world, virtually no pregnancies (percentage wise) are the result of rape and/or incest. Virtually none. Virtually no abortions are performed for the sake of saving the life of a pregnant girl/woman. Virtually none. In fact, the percentage of abortions due to rape/incest is actually less than 1%, and 95% of all abortions are for "convenience" - NOT because abortion is more convenient than contraception, but because it is more convenient than pregnancy, childbirth and parenthood. http://abortiontv.com/Misc/AbortionS...A0%A0%A0%A0%A0

The other fact is this: If you, as a 14-year old, came to me pregnant and scared, I would help you - regardless of your skin color or religion. If your parents kicked you out of the house because you were pregnant, my family would take you in and treat you as if you were our own child. We would gladly take care of you. We would literally do any and everything possible to help you have a good and healthy pregnancy. We would do everything within our power to help you put your baby up for adoption, if that was your choice - knowing that there are MILLIONS of loving couples in America who desperately want to adopt a child. If it was your choice to keep your baby, we would do whatever was necessary to make that work - INCLUDING helping you continue in and finish school.

We would not, however, help you get an abortion - because that would be killing an unborn child (in fact, the child already has a heartbeat and brainwaves before most mothers know they're pregnant). But if you DID get an abortion, we would still care about you and care for you.

You might want to think about the difference: One person is willing to help you - at his own personal expense. Another person wants to perform an abortion on you - and be paid several thousand dollars for doing that abortion. Follow the money trail. Think about it.

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You keep saying that it is a 1% chanche. There are currently 1.3 million abortions performed each year in the United States. That means that 13, 000 woman are raped and get pregnant. The risk of women dying From Pregnancy and childbirth in North America 1 in 3,700. So about 4 woman will die every year in the USA from this if we make it illegal to get an abortion. Do they deserve to die? This time give me a direct answer.
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You keep saying that it is a 1% chanche. There are currently 1.3 million abortions performed each year in the United States. That means that 13, 000 woman are raped and get pregnant. The risk of women dying From Pregnancy and childbirth in North America 1 in 3,700. So about 4 woman will die every year in the USA from this if we make it illegal to get an abortion. Do they deserve to die? This time give me a direct answer.
Stop trying to ignore the obvious.

Out of 1.3 million abortions last year, 1.235 million of those abortions were performed because abortion was more convenient than pregnancy.

Let's talk about the 1.235 million NEEDLESS abortions - that took the lives of 1.235 million unborn children FIRST.

Then let's sit down and talk about the 13,000 abortions where the pregnant woman said (or claimed) that she was raped.

And by the way, your "4 women will die each year if abortion is illegal" statistic simply doesn't add up. Go back and do your math again.


In the meantime, let's talk about the 1.235 million unborn babies that are killed every year, in the United States, simply because abortion is more convenient than pregnancy.
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that took the lives of 1.235 million unborn children FIRST.

In the meantime, let's talk about the 1.235 million unborn babies

So what? If you believe that this unborn potential human has a soul then they will go straight to heaven, right?

You believe it is ok to kill criminals and animals right? Killing in war is ok too? But removing something from a body that is smaller than a quarter is morally objectionable?

Very inconsistent if you ask me.
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