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Old 10-13-2007, 10:47 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Quickly, what political figure was quoted in saying the following?

"We just want jews to be perfected."

'It would be better if we were all Christian.'

Hitler maybe?

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Old 10-13-2007, 01:54 PM   #42 (permalink)
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My sarcastic little game?????? What is the matter do you not like me using your own argument against you?????? Abortion is constitutional???? No where in the Constitution of the United States or in any its Amendments can you show me the word abortion. Yet it is Constitutional, because the Supreme Court in a 7 - 2 ruling said that it was.

Hmmmm, the Supreme Court says that "This is a Christian Nation", thus it is Constitutional, by the way, it was a unanimous ruling 9 - 0. Sorry, but if the one is true, then the other must also be true. So despite no where in the Constitution it saying we are a Christian nation, because the Court has ruled thus, it must be Constitutional.

Unfortunately, for you, all other arguments are moot. Like it or not, this is the liberals own argument coming back to bite you in the ass.

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Lets put this arguement to rest, shal we?

The comment from the Justice that this is a 'Christian Nation' is what is known as an obiter dictum. That is a comment, or illustration of idea, that is included in the court opinion but is NOT necessarily part of the court decision itself.

For example, if a serial killer is convicted and is being sentenced, the judge saying 'Justice would only be truly served if we could kill you the way that you killed those people' would be an obiter dictum. It is part of the court document and part of the judge's opinion, but it is NOT part of the sentence.

The 'Christian Nation' comment was made to illustrate that the lawmakers that made the law being challenged (importing foriegn workers) had not meant to include foriegn ministers.

Read the decision, and it will make a bit more sense.
Old 10-14-2007, 12:52 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Lets put this arguement to rest, shal we?

The comment from the Justice that this is a 'Christian Nation' is what is known as an obiter dictum. That is a comment, or illustration of idea, that is included in the court opinion but is NOT necessarily part of the court decision itself.

For example, if a serial killer is convicted and is being sentenced, the judge saying 'Justice would only be truly served if we could kill you the way that you killed those people' would be an obiter dictum. It is part of the court document and part of the judge's opinion, but it is NOT part of the sentence.

The 'Christian Nation' comment was made to illustrate that the lawmakers that made the law being challenged (importing foriegn workers) had not meant to include foriegn ministers.

Read the decision, and it will make a bit more sense.
Really so it is a dicta?? That would mean that it was not essential to the decision, however, reading the decision leaves no doubt to how essential the reasoning was for the outcome of the Court.

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These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a Congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation?"
So perhaps you should take your own advice and read the decision. For you see that basic question that was asked in this case was did the law apply to the hiring of a foreign minister. Justice Brewer and the Court decided no, and it was for the reasons supported in the decision.

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So perhaps you should take your own advice and read the decision. For you see that basic question that was asked in this case was did the law apply to the hiring of a foreign minister. Justice Brewer and the Court decided no, and it was for the reasons supported in the decision.

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So if the justices meant to say that the U.S. is Constitutionally a Christian country, why did they specifically state that the ruling also applied to a Jewish synagogue?

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Suppose, in the congress that passed this act, some member had offered a bill which in terms declared that, if any Roman Catholic church in this country should contract with Cardinal Manning to come to this country, and enter into its service as pastor and priest, or any Episcopal church should enter into a like contract with Canon Farrar, or any Baptist church should make similar arrangements with Rev. Mr. Spurgeon, or any Jewish synagogue with some eminent rabbi, such contract should be adjudged unlawful and void, and the church making it be subject to prosecution and punishment. Can it be believed that it would have received a minute of approving thought or a single vote? Yet it is contended that such was, in effect, the meaning of this statute. The construction invoked cannot be accepted as correct. It is a case where there was presented a definite evil, in view of which the legislature used general terms with the purpose of reaching all phases of that evil; and thereafter, unexpectedly, it is developed that the general language thus employed is broad enough to reach cases and acts which the whole history and life of the country affirm could not have been intentionally legislated against.

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Old 10-15-2007, 12:21 AM   #45 (permalink)
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They did not say that this ruling applied directly to a Jewish synagogue, did you bother to read what you quoted. The justice asked suppose that this congree passed an act that forbade the contracting of a Cardinal, a Canon, a Reverend or rabbi, would the bill receive support. The justice answers no. Now this is dicta.......

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They did not say that this ruling applied directly to a Jewish synagogue....

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"...any Jewish synagogue with some eminent rabbi, such contract should be adjudged unlawful and void, and the church making it be subject to prosecution and punishment. Can it be believed that it would have received a minute of approving thought or a single vote? Yet it is contended that such was, in effect, the meaning of this statute. The construction invoked cannot be accepted as correct."

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Yes they did.

See there you go again, cutting out the entire quote to show only what supports your contention. If you look at the beginning of the quote, it states:

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Suppose, in the congress that passed this act, some member had offered a bill
A hyptothetical bill.......a dicta.............Take your own advice and

READ THE DECISION

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See there you go again, cutting out the entire quote to show only what supports your contention. If you look at the beginning of the quote, it states:



A hyptothetical bill.......a dicta.............Take your own advice and

READ THE DECISION

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I read the decision.

You are wrong.

You are also extremely rude and I am done attempting to communicate with you. Shouting gets the ignore button. Bye-bye.
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I read the decision.

You are wrong.

You are also extremely rude and I am done attempting to communicate with you. Shouting gets the ignore button. Bye-bye.
Oh yes, I am wrong.......and rude...

Oh the big bad conservative man yelled at me, MOMMY help me, make him leave me alone. I know I will show him, I jsut have to ignore him. Never mind that the word suppose means to assume (something), as for the sake of argument or as part of a proposition or theory. The definition of the word does not matter, I am right, despite not being able to comprehend what I read. I wrote in bold big letters in the hope that you would be able to read and comprehend, however, obviously it is plain to see that you cannot. So continue thinking you are right, and look for support from others to pat you on your back for your total lack of understanding. Nevertheless, the words are written and they each have meaning.

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