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Originally Posted by garysher The more big states vote for Hillary the more the superdelegates may have to re-think their positions. The margin between them is so small Hillary would be making a huge mistake if she abandoned all those supporters and the millions of voters who have given her 1500 delegates so far. I still think a joint ticket is the right answer. Fortunately, either one should be able to beat the venerable but geriatric John McCain and his more-of-the-same Bush lite message. | Ohio and Texas were supposed to be very key for Clinton. She won in numbers, but not in reality. What she won; she quickly forfieted back in the ensuing primaries. This is her position now. She must win overwhelmingly in every remaining primary to overtake Obama's lead. Highly improbable that she can win by such margins until the end. This is what all remaining superdelegates are waiting for: a mass exodus to Obama- to which they will join- or each and every high-profile endorsement- which they will follow suit. This is what's happening now. And how many more will follow up until Pennslyvania? How big will the lead be at that point?
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03-31-2008, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe Ohio and Texas were supposed to be very key for Clinton. She won in numbers, but not in reality. What she won; she quickly forfieted back in the ensuing primaries. This is her position now. She must win overwhelmingly in every remaining primary to overtake Obama's lead. Highly improbable that she can win by such margins until the end. This is what all remaining superdelegates are waiting for: a mass exodus to Obama- to which they will join- or each and every high-profile endorsement- which they will follow suit. This is what's happening now. And how many more will follow up until Pennslyvania? How big will the lead be at that point?
Thanks for the info, H80! Try the ham yet? | I had ham for Easter, Joe. So I will have to do the recipe later. With baseball season starting tonight for me at the ballpark, there won't be many days when I get to cook. So as I work two jobs during baseball season, which I start my 32nd season with the Padres tonight, it can be a grinding six months for me. Question for Forester: You planning to see the Brewers' home opener?
On the elections, why must we wait for another three weeks, when Pennsylvania do theirs? Someone mentioned earlier that why don't every state vote the primaries at the same. Kind of like a melodrama. 
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03-31-2008, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by highway80west I had ham for Easter, Joe. So I will have to do the recipe later. With baseball season starting tonight for me at the ballpark, there won't be many days when I get to cook. So as I work two jobs during baseball season, which I start my 32nd season with the Padres tonight, it can be a grinding six months for me. Question for Forester: You planning to see the Brewers' home opener?
Willie please try to stay on topic. There are other threads for sport and cooking.
On the elections, why must we wait for another three weeks, when Pennsylvania do theirs? Someone mentioned earlier that why don't every state vote the primaries at the same. Kind of like a melodrama.  | Yes I have suggested that many times.
Holding all the primaries on the same day is the only fair way to decide.
America should learn a lesson from the Russian or Zimbabwean electoral systems.
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03-31-2008, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by highway80west Question for Forester: You planning to see the Brewers' home opener?  | Yup! We took the day off and went to the opener here in Chicago. Two rain delays and 10 innings later, a great Brewer win!
We will also be off on Friday, to go to Milwaukee for their home opener.
I do love my Brewers... thanks for asking!
But I do agree with gary... let's move the baseball talk to another thread. |
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03-31-2008, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by garysher Yes I have suggested that many times. Holding all the primaries on the same day is the only fair way to decide. America should learn a lesson from the Russian or Zimbabwean electoral systems. | This actually is a good idea, Gary; but it might be a little overwhelming for the staffs needed to cover the elections in the media. I don't know if that is the actual reason or not; but it definitely would be hard,
Another thing I've been wondering... why don't the Dems have winner-take-all primaries like the Republicans? |
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How about Ohio?? | You mean her 10% lead here? Much of that was gained by lying to Ohioans about NAFTA anyway. Quote: | Many of Obama's victories have been close with only a tiny margin | Actually, Clinton only won with significant margins (10%+) in a few states (Ohio, Arkansas, etc.), whilst Obama lead with significant margins (10%+, and even some reaching greater than 30%) in as many as 25 states.
Most of Clinton's victories were by single digit margins. The vast majority of Obama's victories were by margins of greater than 10%. Quote: | Hillary has the backing of the Governor of Pa Ed Rendell, and all the polls show her to have a comfortable lead. | This is true, but this fact is inconsequential for Clinton's bid for the nomination unless all of the remaining states poll the same way. In actuality, Obama is polling well in the two next most significant states (North Carolina and Indiana). Quote: The more big states vote for Hillary the more the superdelegates may have to re-think their positions.
The margin between them is so small Hillary would be making a huge mistake if she abandoned all those supporters and the millions of voters who have given her 1500 delegates so far.
I still think a joint ticket is the right answer. | Whether or not a joint ticket is the 'right answer' is irrelevant as long as such a ticket remains highly unlikely. But who knows, the terrain might be completely different by the time some diplomacy is going on in the national convention.
Such a ticket has it's positive and negatives. On the one hand, you might avoid some unnecessary division among Democrats, but you may also risk losing a lot of independents and conservatives by putting Clinton on the ticket. You may also give the conservatives of the Republican Party a reason to vote for McCain. Quote: | Fortunately, either one should be able to beat the venerable but geriatric John McCain and his more-of-the-same Bush lite message. | That I'm not too sure about. Obama continues to poll pretty sufficient against McCain but Hillary is often either at a dead 50-50 or loses to McCain. I don't care what you think about Hillary, you're just going to have to accept this political reality of American politics; there are entire machines dedicated toward Hillary-hate, on both sides of the isle.
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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe This actually is a good idea, Gary; but it might be a little overwhelming for the staffs needed to cover the elections in the media. I don't know if that is the actual reason or not; but it definitely would be hard, But that's what happens on general election day, and usually there are Congressional and local elections taking place as well as the Presidential election.
Another thing I've been wondering... why don't the Dems have winner-take-all primaries like the Republicans? |
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