Defending the Truth

Zack actually has a slight point though. "Freeing" uneducated and lost people with limited skills, no support system, no economic clout, no knowledge of "rights" other than wanting to be "free" was just as bad as slavery. It led to systems that were just as insidious.
After slavery, new system recreates old torments - The Boston Globe

Oh yea!

Put your god damned crutches away. There were plenty of oppressed people in our American history and the slaves are the only ones offered crutches. We had the indentured servants, the slaves, the Chinese labor camps and on and on not even to mention the the damned American Indians that were exported by your hero on the $20.00 bill... go offer an Indian a $20 and smile.

My point is slavery is over so forget about it and stop creating the stupid scenes like those in the comedy "The Animal"... go rent it, it's only a dollar since it sucks so much... in the movie the angry mob has torches and pitchforks to kill the monster until they realize the monster is an Afro American and everyone forgives him and sucks up to him... if it weren't so true as it applies to Obama it would be funny.

While your waiting for your trip to Blockbuster I found you a link to another one of your hero's... Abraham Lincoln - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia

I don't agree with this crap but you just piss me off. I heard on the Washington Journal this morning that Lincoln had planned to send all the Afro Americans back to Africa, even had the funding set up in congress but was killed before it could happen...

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to communicate. Slavery is history... trail of tears is history... Big railroad bosses and Chinese slavery is history... child labor is history...

Why do you continue to dwell on black people in history? Why, why, why... look at Africa and look at America and compare black people's lifestyles... look at Haiti, there the Afro-French-German former slaves sent France and Germany packing and I'm here to tell you that Haiti isn't the shining city on the hill. Stop blaming America and white people for everything! Stop making everyone a victim or go find a big Choctaw brave hand him a twenty dollar bill with Jackson's picture on it with a smile on your face and pretend to wipe away the tears. People living now are not responsible for what happened then, if you think we are then you have no country because we, by our own laws would have to give it all back. You want to tell Indians, Blacks, Chinese and others sorry then go for it but they should tell you sorry too because 70% or more of the white people were also oppressed in our history. Get the hell over it, it's history!

We aren't a different country today then we were 200 years ago. And yes, maybe slavery is over, but the repurcussions aren't. You do know that the civil rights movement was only 45 years ago, don't you? And I don't know what makes you think that Andrew Jackson is my hero, he isn't. And I am very well aware of how our government has oppressed multitudes of people in it's breif history. That doesn't mean that those things aren't still issues today. Stop defending indefensible positions that were a part of our system for a very long time. Saying sorry doesn't cut it, realising the effects and doing something to change them, does.

And the way that you see things comes across as someone who never experienced, or could empathise with the kinds of things we are talking about. It sounds like more of the same crap that white men have been spewing for ages. It's time for you to take a long hard look at history, and how that history contributes to our problems today. That is what sane, moral people do in order to better this country, while still recognising that it is the best country in the world. Power mongering and greed is what has been the motivation for most of our misdeeds, and that is still the creed in this country, at least on the right. And the left isn't without fault either.

I look at things as the constitution and Declaration of Independence put it... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

I am a fortunate man even though I was born into poverty... All people born in America are equally fortunate regardless of race creed or color. Don't lecture me on what you know nothing about... "And the way that you see things comes across as someone who never experienced, or could empathise with the kinds of things we are talking about." I lived a very poor life as a child and used an outhouse until I was 11... I used my first indoor plumbing at public school. I consider myself a success considering my beginnings, I've owned several homes, given up close to $200,000 in property to bad marriages and in a few months will have paid off the home I live in... my kids go to private school because I want them to do better than me... not because I'm rich but because I desire, as my dad did that they do better than him on their own efforts. I live poor so my dreams of a better life for my children can take root. I believe in "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." and I don't think it makes a damn if you were born black, Chinese, Vietnamese, American Indian or what ever rich or poor you are born in a great nation and require no propping up by the government... You need to earn the next man's respect and that isn't earned with skin color but by character. Character shows through regardless of your beginning.

My point about minorities is that there are many and only the Afro Americans seem to require managing and propping up and I find that unfair since I myself started my life knee deep in crap. Very many Afro Americans prosper and hold higher levels than I or my children will hold in their lifetimes and I say to give a prop to those who don't, because they are Afro American in origin discriminates against my wife, children and I. Since I believe: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

So you were poor, and so was I. You haven't been discriminated against in the myriad ways that African Americans have been and still are though. Your ancestors weren't brought here against their will and separated from their families forcefully. You weren't denied rights based on your race, and you weren't subjected to the systematic repression of your hope, faith or ideals. How are they being propped up? How are they getting more than you did? And why shouldn't people in need, get help? Did you have a dad around for your entire childhood? You cannot relate to that situation, and apparently you haven't bothered to try.

This is some good stuff. Again, like from a script.

And you can be full of character and hope, and be able and willing to work hard, and still need help. It isn't only blacks, it's anyone for whatever reason. But you cannot compare the other peoples yuo mentioned with the situation that Africans faced and lived with here for hundreds of years. You can't, period.

Being PC sucks!
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ck_hole_a.html

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

To me all that is just stupid. People should have the intelligence to recognise a truly racist statement.