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08-29-2008, 01:10 PM
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08-29-2008, 01:20 PM
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Points: 18,571, Level: 86 | Level up: 45%, 279 Points needed | | While I think this article makes a lot of good (and interesting) points, I have to clarify something. Quote: |
He passed over Kay Bailey Hutchison, the Texas senator who is knowledgeable about the military, good on television, and -- obviously -- a woman.
| Kay Bailey Hutchison told McCain's camp that she didn't want to be his VP. We have a gubernatorial election coming up in a couple of years here in Texas, and I'm fully expecting her to set her sights there.
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08-29-2008, 01:40 PM
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08-29-2008, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CNN.com  | CNN feels threatened by strong, tough independent women! LOL | |
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08-29-2008, 02:03 PM
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( ::wanders off, muttering " 'Pluto in Capricorn' indeed..." :: )
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08-29-2008, 02:31 PM
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Both the pros and the cons are pretty obvious. I’m going to focus on the cons, mostly because conservatives right now seem to be paying them less attention. The pros: She’s a pro-life conservative reformer from outside Washington, and a woman. The pick signals a boldness and willingness to mix things up that the McCain campaign, like Republicans generally, need.
The cons: Inexperience. Palin has been governor for about two minutes. Thanks to McCain’s decision, Palin could be commander-in-chief next year. That may strike people as a reckless choice; it strikes me that way. And McCain's age raised the stakes on this issue.
As a political matter, it undercuts the case against Obama. Conservatives are pointing out that it is tricky for the Obama campaign to raise the issue of her inexperience given his own, and note that the presidency matters more than the vice-presidency. But that gets things backward. To the extent the experience, qualifications, and national-security arguments are taken off the table, Obama wins.
And it’s not just foreign policy. Palin has no experience dealing with national domestic issues, either. (On the other hand, as Kate O’Beirne just told me, we know that Palin will be ready for that 3 a.m. phone call: She’ll already be up with her baby.) Tokenism. Can anyone say with a straight face that Palin would have gotten picked if she were a man? Compatibility. It doesn’t seem as though McCain knows Palin well. Do we have much reason to think they would work well together? Debates. Maybe, as Jonah said the other day, Biden will look like a bully going up against her—and maybe she’ll shine. But I can think of a lot of other picks who would have been lower-risk.
I am not even sure that the pick will have quite the galvanizing effect on conservatives that it seems to be having now as it sinks in. The concerns I’ve mentioned here—about her readiness and her credentials—are the kind of thing that many conservative voters take seriously.
Now, as I said, there are pros too. Maybe Palin will be a terrific candidate and vice president. But let’s not underestimate the potential downside. The Corner on National Review Online= | |
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08-29-2008, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady Tokenism. Can anyone say with a straight face that Palin would have gotten picked if she were a man? | ::applause::
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08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady Cold Water on Palin [Ramesh Ponnuru]
Both the pros and the cons are pretty obvious. I’m going to focus on the cons, mostly because conservatives right now seem to be paying them less attention. The pros: She’s a pro-life conservative reformer from outside Washington, and a woman. The pick signals a boldness and willingness to mix things up that the McCain campaign, like Republicans generally, need.
The cons:
Inexperience. Palin has been governor for about two minutes. Thanks to McCain’s decision, Palin could be commander-in-chief next year. That may strike people as a reckless choice; it strikes me that way. And McCain's age raised the stakes on this issue.
As a political matter, it undercuts the case against Obama. Conservatives are pointing out that it is tricky for the Obama campaign to raise the issue of her inexperience given his own, and note that the presidency matters more than the vice-presidency. But that gets things backward. To the extent the experience, qualifications, and national-security arguments are taken off the table, Obama wins.
| Governor Palin has been an executive thought. Meaning she has more expereince than either member of the Democratic ticket. It is easy to be 1 of 100, but Governor has sat in the seat where the buck stopped.
It doesn't undercut the issue of experience whatsoever. Face it unlike the Democratic ticket, the Republican ticket is top-heavy. Yes our Presidential candidate has more experience than the Democratic candidate. Period. And to top matters off, now our Vice Presidential nominee has more executive experience than your Presidential nominee. Quote:
Originally Posted by knot_e_lady And it’s not just foreign policy. Palin has no experience dealing with national domestic issues, either. (On the other hand, as Kate O’Beirne just told me, we know that Palin will be ready for that 3 a.m. phone call: She’ll already be up with her baby.) | But she has sat in that seat where she has had to make the decision. She has had to devise policy to govern a city and a state. She has had to make economic decisions, tax decisions, veto decisions, appointment decisions, as well as social issue decisions. Obama has less experience than that, as does Biden, as matter of fact they have only been 1 0f 100, and have never had to make a decision on any issue other than which way to vote. (And in their case it has been to support the party line) Quote:
Originally Posted by knot_e_lady Tokenism. Can anyone say with a straight face that Palin would have gotten picked if she were a man? | Tell me would Obama be the democratic nominee if he were not black???? Don't pull the gender issue cause the racial issue fits just as well. If Obama was not black, I seriously believe he would have beaten Clinton in the primaries. Quote:
Originally Posted by knot_e_lady Compatibility. It doesn’t seem as though McCain knows Palin well. Do we have much reason to think they would work well together? | He seems to know her better than alot of the Democratic pundits. Already claiming that she is a tool of the big oil companies. She has challenged big oil since she became governor, including the natural gas pipeline.
I tell you this much they looked great together on stage. Quote:
Originally Posted by knot_e_lady Debates. Maybe, as Jonah said the other day, Biden will look like a bully going up against her—and maybe she’ll shine. But I can think of a lot of other picks who would have been lower-risk. | Like Obama's pick. Know what you mean, what better than another Washington-insider on the ticket. Quote:
Originally Posted by knot_e_lady I am not even sure that the pick will have quite the galvanizing effect on conservatives that it seems to be having now as it sinks in. The concerns I’ve mentioned here—about her readiness and her credentials—are the kind of thing that many conservative voters take seriously. | Conservatives will share none of your concerns. Governor Palin is smart, and extremely effective as a leader. After five minutes in the room with her you are ready to roll up your sleeves and get to work with her. Her record will be well-supported by conservatives, her pro-life stance will be a great embrace, not to mention the fact that she mother. Quote:
Originally Posted by knot_e_lady Now, as I said, there are pros too. Maybe Palin will be a terrific candidate and vice president. But let’s not underestimate the potential downside. The Corner on National Review Online= |
Like everyone seems to be doing with Obama. Point the finger at the true novice here!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bagala is a hack. He knows the truth, our Vice President nominee has a better record of experience than his Presidential candidate. The only person out of his mind is Begala for he is nothing but a party hack.
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08-29-2008, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tirya ::applause:: | Again would Obama be the candidate if her were not black!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What goes around comes around.
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08-29-2008, 03:18 PM
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Has the GOP EVER had a serious contender in the race?
of course not
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