Former soldier fights 'don't ask, don't tell'

fxashun · 08-05-2010, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

Where did you find the definition of what sexual behaviors are deviant and those which aren't? Because that is a very subjective argument. I personally find it deviant if someone pisses on another person while haveing sex, yet others think it's just great. Should we all get up in their business and their bedrooms and tell them that they can't get married if they do that? Or that it's a crime? My norms aren't yours and yours aren't necessarily the norms of the next person. The way we deal with that is by using clarifying measures like consent between adults. Otherwise a craze could sweep the nation tomorrow that if you aren't coming in your wife's ear, you aren't legally married.

Here's one.

302 Sexual deviations a
This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed
primarily toward objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward
sexual acts not usually associated with coitus, or toward coitus
performed under bizarre circumstances as in necrophilia, pedophilia,
sexual sadism, and fetishism. Even though many find their practices
distasteful, they remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior
for them. This diagnosis is not appropriate for individuals who perform
deviant sexual acts because normal sexual objects are not
available to them.

Still works quite nicely.

Golden showers is a sexual act, not an innate sexual attraction to someone, don't confuse the two.

And we aren't talking about individual norms, we are talking about a standard that goes across all species and most living complex species on the planet. There is no species that has found a use for homosexuality other than a one off mistake. I mean there are several birth defects that cross species lines. "It exists" is hardly a valid reason to accept something as a "norm".

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

Sorry, it is your argument that is invalid. That is merely one aspect of human sexuality. That's why we don't only have sex to procreate. The human sexual urge is not only to reproduce, it s to feel good, relieve stress and to express feelings towards another individual.

All those can cover the other sexual deviations as well. If you drop reproduction, "feels good, relieve stress and to express feelings" can pretty much be used to justify pedosexuality, zoosexuality, homosexuality AND heterosexuality.

garysher · 08-04-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

There are many homosexuals who serve in the military today, and many of them are very open about their homosexuality. Most commanders will not enforce the DADT rule because they recognize it's absurd and bigotted.

The solution is simple. Let homos serve... If they sexually harass a person, then you punish them, just like we do with heteros... If there are heteros who are too insecure to handle that arrangement, they are welcome to leave, because as far as I am concerned, there is no room for bigotry in my military.

Why not use the same argument for mixing men and women in the same accommodation and showers?

As you point out, there are consequences for anyone who suffers sexually harassment, so what's the problem?

If there are any women who are too "insecure" (favourite leftie libbie code word) to handle that arrangement, they are welcome to leave, because as far as you are concerned, there is no room for bigotry in your military.

BTW I thought 'homo' was a banned word on DTT?