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The Pentagon's top uniformed lawyers took issue Thursday with a key provision of a White House plan to prosecute military detainees, contending that language potentially restricting a defendant's access to evidence could violate treaty obligations.

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Peggy_Sue

Could someone clarify a muddy point? (At least it is muddy to me.)
When did people that weren't fighting in the uniform of a country become included in any treaty agreement ... or in the Geneva Convention, for that matter?

alias

When people began taking liberals seriously, that's when. It's purely a liberal invention. I would just ignore them and kill the bastards.

foundit66

The Geneva Convention covers MORE than just "prisoner of war" status.
Even if we expressly state that they aren't "prisoners of war", they still have rights.

The right to the evidence one is charged with seems so fundamental that it's curious why anybody would demand that it be restricted. It's a fundamental idea to a "fair trial", regardless of the accused's status.

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hevusa

Over 300 prisoners have been released from gitmo because they were innocent only after having years and years of their lives taken from them without the right to a trial. Who knows how many of the over 400 remaining will turn out to be innocent.

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alias

So what! Who knows and who cares? The vast majority of Americans don't give a damn. The only ones who care about "rights" of America haters are liberal piss ants who hate America also. Birds of a feather ya know and all that stuff. Nice crowd you all run with.

foundit66

Wow! You are COMPLETELY out of touch with reality.
The title of this thread is "Republicans divided on legal rights of detainees".
Ergo, EVEN THE REPUBLICANS are having their doubts over the current administration's treatment.

The "vast majority of Americans" clearly DO give a damn.


Hevusa was talking about INNOCENT PEOPLE who were detained in Gitmo.

And even when we are talking about INNOCENT PEOPLE, you don't give a crap about the rights of others.
Man. You are REALLY out there...

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jaaaman

I would be willing to bet every single one of those 300 arab guys did something (or somethings) to be put into Gitmo... there was just not enough evidence of their crimes to keep holding on to them. Does that mean they're innocent? Not hardly.

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Raghead is an ethnic slur used against Arabs, Muslims, and Indian Sikhs denigrating them for wearing traditional headdress such as turbans or keffiyehs.
Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, this epithet has increasingly been used to denigrate Muslims and Sikhs.

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foundit66

Wow.
I guess "innocent until proven guilty" just goes out the window for Jaaaman and some races/religions. But I'm sure he'll demand tolerance for his own...

And to think there are some people in other threads complaining about the "conspiracy theories" and the liberal left.
Quite frankly, I don't like the conspiracy theories either. I find them lacking substance, but I ignore them because they are typically just talk. Nobody is going to jail for them.
But people ARE being wire-tapped and going to jail and held without communication to the outside or capability to see the evidence against them. Actions from the conservative right.

I find one of them more dangerous based on the actual impact it has on people's lives.

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