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Old 10-12-2006, 02:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 10-12-2006, 03:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow! That would be asbolutely fantastic if he won.
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Wow! That would be asbolutely fantastic if he won.
No, it really wouldn't. Oh well, at least he's only one guy.
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No, it really wouldn't. Oh well, at least he's only one guy.
I agree with you. Socialism works only for a while and then it collapses on itself. Look at France and Sweden. They are going broke from the socialists.
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I agree with you. Socialism works only for a while and then it collapses on itself. Look at France and Sweden. They are going broke from the socialists.
I really doubt that America would go socialist over one guy. I'm more concerned with government subsidization and high taxes.
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I really doubt that America would go socialist over one guy. I'm more concerned with government subsidization and high taxes.
Glad to hear that. Government does not produce wealth and that is why socialism eventually falls in on itself. These people who love socialism have never lived under it or studied it. It sounds good because they think they'll have it easier in life because they don't have to compete and strive. Mankind is meant to struggle and strive. It's called progress. Socialism stifles it.
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No, it really wouldn't. Oh well, at least he's only one guy.
Actually it would. For democratic politics anyway. I'm not rejoicing that there will be socialist-minded votes, because it would be foolish to do so considering it would only be one person. But I am more rejoicing over this because I believe the more partisan or perhaps narrow-minded our politics is, the less democratic it is. Democracy is more of a clash of ideas. Obviously, I don't think pure socialism would work, just like pure of anything wouldn't work. But I do think that socialism does have something to offer us. But moreso, a socialist joining Congress will help pave the way for more tolerance toward socialist ideas. Especially considering the United States is the only industrialized nation without a significant socialist party.
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Actually it would. For democratic politics anyway. I'm not rejoicing that there will be socialist-minded votes, because it would be foolish to do so considering it would only be one person. But I am more rejoicing over this because I believe the more partisan or perhaps narrow-minded our politics is, the less democratic it is. Democracy is more of a clash of ideas. Obviously, I don't think pure socialism would work, just like pure of anything wouldn't work. But I do think that socialism does have something to offer us. But moreso, a socialist joining Congress will help pave the way for more tolerance toward socialist ideas. Especially considering the United States is the only industrialized nation without a significant socialist party.
What does socialism have to offer?
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What does socialism have to offer?
You must understand, that's like asking me to write a book. Its really that complicated (As I see the issue anyway).

Obviously I could get into detail, but frankly I don't have the time right now and maybe I could provide a more adequate response for this on the weekend. But in general terms (very general), it would help us have a sense of balance as to where true competition in the market place is ensured while human and workers' rights wouldn't be violated. Essentially, socialism (democratic socialism anyway) is here to say that "the freer the market the freer the people" is a significatly faulty point of view, in that the freer the market means the more freedom employers have to be in positions of tyranny in the lives of average people. This is why we have certain anti-trust laws as well as a number of other workers' rights and environment protection laws; to help gain some balance. But socialists want to take some of those steps somewhat further considering many do not work adequately or that we are behind in international environmental standards (for instance, we can't sell most of our cars to Chinese now because they don't meet even Chinese environment standards).

Also, Martin Luther King, Jr. sums up the main ideology of socialism pretty good for how short it is in a good quote, which the main part of it is in my signature.
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Glad to hear that. Government does not produce wealth and that is why socialism eventually falls in on itself. These people who love socialism have never lived under it or studied it. It sounds good because they think they'll have it easier in life because they don't have to compete and strive.
I'd agree with you, except your premise is not a good one. You haven't lived under socialism either.
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