Originally Posted by alias

Yes, Indonesia is a wonderful "democracy". A poll there found 10% of the muslims favor violence to further Islam. You call that democracy? I call it lunacy. Approximately 220 million people in Indonesia. 10% of 220 million. How many million is that. You're a smart guy. Tell us. Tell us how many million people in Indonesia support violence to further Islam.

Originally Posted by alias

As far as Iran, everyone knows that is not a democracy. Their so-called elected president is the mouthpiece for the puppetmaster who sits behind him. Iran is also the leading supportor of terrorism in Hamas and Hezbo. Who elected Hamas and Hezo? No one. That is not democracy. I suppose YOU call that democracy also. You're just the typical lying muslim who will say anything to the infidel to further Islam. You prove it every time you post. You come around here and say you are for peace. Then out of the other side of your mouth you say America is as much a terrorist as Hamas and Hezbo.

You don't have a clue what real democracy is.

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Hmmmmmm, let's see...

Live in Indonesia or the United States. Tough choice.
Live in Turkey or the United States. Tough choice.
Live in Iran or the United States. Tough choice.

Say whatever you want to say, buddy.

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Question hkbajwa...

How well are Christians treated in Muslim countries.

I'm not going to accept any BS or "yeah but..." crap. I want you to answer that question.

Originally Posted by vharlow

Virgil Goode is an islamophobe. I'm an islamophobe. That's a valid term to use for anyone who understands the concept of jihad, and the expansionist goals of islam. Those terrorists aren't doing all that killing so we would NOT fear them, now are they? I'm sure as heck not an islamophile!

Originally Posted by hkbajwa

Not in the most admirable fashion i admit..

And i really don't care what you are going to accept.. when you ask a question you can not decide upon the answer. I think that is the basic concept of the question/answer process.

Like i told you i actualyl belong to a minority that is discriminated against in Pakistan. Ahmedis are not allowed to call themselves muslim ON PAIN OF DEATH ( thankfully it is a little enforced law )

This discussion started when you stated that all christians would be killed. It is not fair to term a religion genocidal when it is not.

Sure discrimination exists. But it is steadily decreasing. The generation of my grand parents would not even share a table with a christian. Kinda like how many of the ancestors of todays white americans would not think twice about selling a black man as cattle.

Also you claimed that muslim democracies do not exist. That also is not true. I take issue with this statement because it sounds like you believ that Islam and Democracy are incompatible idologies. And as Malaysia, Indonesia and Turkey have proven that is NOT the case.

It is important to remember this because many clerics claim that Islam and Democracy clash. Democracy is a danger to CLERICS. NOT TO ISLAM. Again i suggest that you stop believing the stupid mullahs when they make these statements. I mean christ it's hard enough to keep the uneducated muslim man from believing those belief peddlers. Are we gonna have to CONVINCE you too? That won't [articularly help in implementing democracy anywhere.

Originally Posted by foundit66

You are confusing the issues of Muslim EXTREMISM (or more specifically terrorism) which the vast majority of Muslims don't practice, with the general practice of Islam itself.

Muslims number approximately 1.3 BILLION.

And how many of those are causing problems???

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Several MILLION - by conservative estimates.

Originally Posted by Jefferson

And so, while you try to make the percentage look inconsequential, you're admitting that the sheer number is staggering.

Originally Posted by hkbajwa

Do you not support the use of violence to further "freedom"? What is the Iraq invasion other than a violent act to IMPOSE a political ideology on a people? YOu can hide behind the euphemism of "liberating" the nation.. But the simple fact is that the US HAS NOT LIBERATED ANYBODY.

WHy don't you tell me how many people in the US support violence to further US national interest? SO just because it is US national interest it is acceptable violence?

22 Million indonesians may support violence to further Islam.. why does your midget intellect not register the 198 million that DO NOT support violence? The indonesian Democracy ALLOWS the 10 % to have their opinion. Indonesian democracy also ensures that these 10 % never come into power.

Is that not democracy?? If not then tell me why.. Last i checked, the OPINIONS of the population did not determine whether they are a democracy. The only criteria for being a democracy is whether the leaders are elected by popular vote. And they surely are in Indonesia, Malaysia and Turkey.

So jefferson's statement that no muslim democracies exist is just plain false.

You can whine all you wish about how wrong the policies of these democratic nations may be.. But who the hell are you to pass judgement. Just like the US was not bound to repeal the Patriot Act because of international pressure, NO OTHER nation needs US approval of their internal democratic processes.

Hubris.. and it will cause the evntual downfall of your once great nation.



I am not a liar. Who the fuck are you to call me one?? What so you are a christian american and that makes you better and more truthful than me??

I am completely AMAZED that you find it within your rights to whine about how everybody slanders you for being a bigot and a racist. YOu prove that "slander" at every turn.

YOu are no more than a bitter old man, howling at your own insignificance. YOu will cause no revolution, you will inspire NOBODY, you will NEVER fight for your country, and you will certainly NEVER contribute to the solution of this planet's problems. But you will talk.. and talk.. and talk..

You are irrelevant... and the only reason you are a such a loudmouth is because you know it.