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Old 01-27-2007, 05:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 01-27-2007, 08:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This whole fiasco is going to end up being dead in the water.

Fitzgerald is on an ego-maniacal wild goose hunt. And it's all for nothing anyway.

Even IF Rove, Cheney, Libby - or a whole host of others they media hates - DID speak about Valerie Plame, it was NOT a crime. She had a desk job with the CIA, and was working in Washington DC. There was no crime committed.
Old 01-27-2007, 09:14 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This whole fiasco is going to end up being dead in the water.

Fitzgerald is on an ego-maniacal wild goose hunt. And it's all for nothing anyway.

Even IF Rove, Cheney, Libby - or a whole host of others they media hates - DID speak about Valerie Plame, it was NOT a crime. She had a desk job with the CIA, and was working in Washington DC. There was no crime committed.
Where's the link that says this?
Old 01-27-2007, 11:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Where's the link that says this?
Valerie Plame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She had not been an overseas operative for 6 years before the alleged "leak" took place.

And if you'll notice in the article, even Fitzgerald cannot show that there was any kind of crime committed - and Fitzgerald is doing everything possible to make mountains out of molehills.
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Valerie Plame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She had not been an overseas operative for 6 years before the alleged "leak" took place.

And if you'll notice in the article, even Fitzgerald cannot show that there was any kind of crime committed - and Fitzgerald is doing everything possible to make mountains out of molehills.
I read most but not all of the article. I came across this:

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Some press accounts have raised questions about whether or not the CIA still considered Plame a "covert" agent––that is, the precise nature of her "classified" status or the type of "cover" that she had and whether or not it was "official" or "non-official"––at the time she was outed in the Novak column of July 14, 2003. Yet, as Johnson observes in his Congressional testimony previously cited:
These [disparaging] comments [by members of the press and others in the public debate] reveal an astonishing ignorance of the intelligence community and the role of cover. The fact is that there are thousands of U.S. intelligence officers who "work at a desk" in the Washington, D.C. area every day who are undercover. Some have official cover, and some have non-official cover. Both classes of cover must and should be protected.[14]

Johnson is former CIA officer Larry C. Johnson, who may be a better source for whether Plame was covered by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. The footnote (14) goes to a larger quote from the same proceeding, which is at http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/hear.../cialetter.pdf

For all appearances Valerie Plame had a desk job in Washington, D.C., but was also doing covert work behind the scenes which she can now no longer do. This likely compromised national security, since your article states she was working on non-conventional weaponry overseas:

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But within the C.I.A., the exposure of Ms. Plame is now considered an even greater instance of treachery. Ms. Plame, a specialist in non-conventional weapons who worked overseas, had "nonofficial cover", and was what in C.I.A. parlance is called a NOC, the most difficult kind of false identity for the agency to create. While most undercover agency officers disguise their real profession by pretending to be American embassy diplomats or other United States government employees, Ms. Plame passed herself off as a private energy expert. Intelligence experts said that NOCs have especially dangerous jobs.[8]
I do not think Fitzgerald is making a mountain out of a molehill, but rather, you are not seeing the mountain.

Incidently, what is the difference between muslim extremists lying to christains and what the CIA does?
Old 01-28-2007, 05:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I do not think Fitzgerald is making a mountain out of a molehill, but rather, you are not seeing the mountain.

Incidently, what is the difference between muslim extremists lying to christains and what the CIA does?
Okay, what exactly is "the mountain" here? The whole thing is absurd - on many counts. I mean, yes, whoever "leaked" the information did a stupid thing (and by the way, there was already a person NOT named Cheney, Libby or Rove who has ADMITTED that he is the source of the leak), but this does not warrant a HUGE federal investigation.


...and I have no idea what you're asking about the muslims lying to christians...
Old 01-28-2007, 07:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I guess you consider leaking a CIA operative to be a molehill... just a stupid thing that shouldn't have been done.

About the lying thing: the CIA puts up fake corporations and teaches their operatives to tell their friends that they work elsewhere. To me this is not telling the truth... it's lying. There was another thread (that I will have to hunt down) that said that somewhere in Islam people had the idea that it was okay to pretend to be friends with non-believers if it furthered Islam.. or something like that. It seems like the CIA does that, or something similar, to further our national security.
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I guess you consider leaking a CIA operative to be a molehill... just a stupid thing that shouldn't have been done.

About the lying thing: the CIA puts up fake corporations and teaches their operatives to tell their friends that they work elsewhere. To me this is not telling the truth... it's lying. There was another thread (that I will have to hunt down) that said that somewhere in Islam people had the idea that it was okay to pretend to be friends with non-believers if it furthered Islam.. or something like that. It seems like the CIA does that, or something similar, to further our national security.
Okay, now I get where you're coming from on that last paragraph.

But I'll still say that they're chasing rabbits on this whole PlameGate thing. It's another Kenneth Starr fiasco, except Starr was appointed, and Fitzgerald is just out trying to make a name for himself.
Old 01-29-2007, 05:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Oh, sigh. I guess forget that question about lying. The search engine in this forum needs many improvements! I tried searching using MUSLIM AND PRETEND AND FRIEND and got MUSLIM OR PRETEND OR FRIEND and 500 search results. No way am I going through them all!

How did Fitzgerald get the job?
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This whole fiasco is going to end up being dead in the water.

You can keep hoping...
people in power usually have good lawyers. We shall see.
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