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Old 07-11-2007, 07:30 AM   #31 (permalink)
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The biggest thing that leads me to believe that the towers came down by demolitions is the time in which they took to fell. Within .5 seconds of freefall.

If the towers were weakened by fire or weakened by the impact of the plane itself at and around the site that still leaves... what.... 90 floors that would have slowed things down.
.5 seconds? Were you watching the same thing I was?
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Like I said earlier to Knot. Americans love conspiracies.

I do have to say this though. I for one am glad that I'll be here when they release the confidential files concerning Kennedy's assassination. It should be an interesting read to say the least. Especially in the face it'll either confirm or lay to rest the theories of 'what if' surrounding his death.
I wonder when that will be?

I read three books so far about Kennedy: One by James Bishop, on the 24 hours of the day it happened; one by Theodore Sorensen (who was special counsel to Kennedy), about the life of Kennedy, and by the Warren Commission, which conclude that Oswald acted alone.

In Bishop's book, Oswald, when he worked at the school book depository in Dallas, always had to be driven to work because he didn't have a car.

Oswald knew Kennedy would be in Dallas, and that the parade route would go past the Texas School Book Depository. He carried a large bag with him.

So when asked by his driver what was in the bag he was carrying, Oswald said it contained curtain rods, which was really the rifle he used to shoot Kennedy.

After the shooting, Jack Ruby, whose real name was Jacob Rubenstein, felt so bad for the family, especially the children of JFK. He took it upon himself to shoot Oswald two days later, when Oswald and the lawmen emerged from the tunnel of the jailhouse.

Ruby knew some of the policemen, and he often brought donuts to them. So in a way, he had carte blanche with them, which allowed him to get up close to Oswald and pull the trigger.

Here's the shocker, one which I still don't believe. In school, my special education teacher, and this was in 1968 or 1969, believed that it was Ruby that shot JFK. Of course, I am sure that it didn't happen that way.

What I remember on the day it happened, was when I walked into speech therapist's room right after the assasination. I was in the third grade then, all special ed.

My speech teacher told me something about JFK, like he told me something that occured at 12:00 PM.

I didn't take it in until I got home from school later that afternoon, when the TV was on. There was a big plane, and a big long car pulling up to it. That was the plane that had JFK's body in it, and that was the hearse that pulled up. It was eerie.

That night, I cried. My younger sister and I pored over photos of JFK in the next three days about his life.

I remember the commotion on TV the time that Ruby shot Oswald, and of the funeral procession the next day, led by horses, and Marines in full dress uniform. Boy, it had a chilling effect on me.

So I look forward to visiting the JFK presidential library, not only to learn more about him, but to pay my respects for him. Leaving behind a beautiful wife and two beautiful children. So sad.

Whatever happens when the files are released, I hope all the conspiracies can be put to bed.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:53 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Like I said earlier to Knot. Americans love conspiracies.

I do have to say this though. I for one am glad that I'll be here when they release the confidential files concerning Kennedy's assassination. It should be an interesting read to say the least. Especially in the face it'll either confirm or lay to rest the theories of 'what if' surrounding his death.
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Here's my thoughts on that...For it to be a conspiracy, then there's hundreds (if not thousands) of people pretending to have lost loved ones at the attack sites and on the planes...And for what reason supposedly? To justify a war in the Middle East?

For the conspiracy to hold water, then that means theres at least hundreds of passengers from 4 planes being hidden from their co-workers, family, and friends? Not to mention, a heavy casualty list of those killed on the sites that's affected thousands of family nation wide.

I'm sorry, but for that conspiracy to be true, there'd have to be one heck of a cover-up going, families torn apart for nothing. Children growing up without a parent or family member?

I realize things in our goverment are messed up. But believing what the conspiracy people are saying is even more messed up then those they say are doing the big ole cover-up thingy? Might as way say that those who created such a conspiracy are just as crazy, if not more so then the terrorists? Cause heck, if what happened on 9-11 wasn't the terrorists but our own goverment, then we're more of a danger then the terrorists so many in our country are screaming about.

No matter how bad our goverment currently is, I really can't see our goverment purposely killing thousands of our citizens, on home territory...I can't see them tearing apart thousands of families and leaving the children of those families orphans...Simply so our goverment can engage in a war in the Middle East.

The first thing about any conspiracy is, the fewer people involved and knowing about it happening, the better it'll succeed. Simply put, no goverment is so desperate to fight a war that they're willing to involve hundreds and thousands of 'co-conspirators' in said conspiracy. And that's where this conspiracy theory fails...Because it's claiming hundreds to thousands of people are involved on some kind of cover-up in the first place.
I have to agree with you there. It would be impossible for so many people involved in a cover-up to keep their mouths shut about it. Also, where are the planes and the passengers?
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I have to agree with you there. It would be impossible for so many people involved in a cover-up to keep their mouths shut about it. Also, where are the planes and the passengers?
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.5 seconds? Were you watching the same thing I was?
Someone could have dropped a ball from the top of the towers just before they fell and they would have been on the ground within less than a second of the ball hitting (about .5 seconds). 90 stories, unaffected by fire, would have slowed the process down much more.

The real conspiracy is people believing that two planes could weaken a building to fall, demolitions style, into its own footprint after being struck by a boeing jet.

And what exactly is our billions of military tax money paying for when there is 30 minutes inbetween plane hits and our air force is where??? A plane hits a skyscraper in NYC and they let another plane fly over several states and hit the next tower?????????????????

Are we living on the same planet would be a better question?
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The real conspiracy is people believing that two planes could weaken a building to fall, demolitions style, into its own footprint after being struck by a boeing jet.
See, what conspiracy theorists fail to take into consideration is how different the architecture of the WTC were from conventional steel skeleton construction.

What you had was basically a steel tube, held together by floor trusses. There was no internal steel structure.

Now, you take out several areas of steel tubing from the outer shell, throw in a fire burning at temps more then enough to cause steel to bend. The floor trusses then bent, pulling away from the outer shell. When that happened, the floor pancaked onto the floor below, then a domino effect happened, speeding up as more weight and momentum gathered.

You can clearly see in all the videos that the collapse STARTED AT THE TOP, not at the bottom as happens in controlled demolitions.
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Someone could have dropped a ball from the top of the towers just before they fell and they would have been on the ground within less than a second of the ball hitting (about .5 seconds). 90 stories, unaffected by fire, would have slowed the process down much more.

The real conspiracy is people believing that two planes could weaken a building to fall, demolitions style, into its own footprint after being struck by a boeing jet.

And what exactly is our billions of military tax money paying for when there is 30 minutes inbetween plane hits and our air force is where??? A plane hits a skyscraper in NYC and they let another plane fly over several states and hit the next tower?????????????????

Are we living on the same planet would be a better question?

That is the hardest one to explain. How did the towers collapse in the manner they did and so quickly. You could say that secondary explosives were planted by terrorist too, but then where are the real planes that were hijacked.
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See, what conspiracy theorists fail to take into consideration is how different the architecture of the WTC were from conventional steel skeleton construction.

What you had was basically a steel tube, held together by floor trusses. There was no internal steel structure.

Now, you take out several areas of steel tubing from the outer shell, throw in a fire burning at temps more then enough to cause steel to bend. The floor trusses then bent, pulling away from the outer shell. When that happened, the floor pancaked onto the floor below, then a domino effect happened, speeding up as more weight and momentum gathered.

You can clearly see in all the videos that the collapse STARTED AT THE TOP, not at the bottom as happens in controlled demolitions.

That's not what I read. The towers did indeed have an internal steel structure. And, secondary explosions were indeed witnessed at the basement levels.
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