tyreay

So your saying free speech is only ok when they do it.

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John

yes. If people were saying things about you that you didn't want to be spread, would you want it stopped?

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Doeth

The Van Allen belt is toroidal in shape and the trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft were designed to avoid the worst part of the Van Allen belts. Even the discoverer of the Van Allen belts, Professor James A. Van Allen, has noted that the belts would not have been dangerous to the Apollo astronauts given their trajectories and their spacecraft, additionally they were in the belt for 4 hours.

tyreay

I love it. More misinformation without research. I mentioned the belt partially as bait. The point of the belt is that it stops large doses of radiation from reaching the earth. There were large solar flares while they were suppose to be on the moon. No human could have lived through them. Check into it if you really care about the subject.
I just love the members who read the last few pages of a thread and think they have the answers. Although I will say that the best evidence out there, the link in the OP was removed from the web. It had actual scientists that worked at NASA at the time saying it was a hoax, giving scientific reasons as to why we weren't able to go, and also giving alot more than that. If you only go to the sites that say it wasn't a hoax than thats what you'll believe.

I'm not up to arguing this thread right now. I'll check it out after I'm done with my back operation. Please don't think I'm not posting because I decided that the hoax is untrue, its not. Peace everyone.

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tyreay

Oh, like Saddam did?
Freedom of speech is our constitutional right. You are still clueless.

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Scott

What you are referring to is this issue.

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/con...tml#post109580 (Faked moon landing?)
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There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm

What I hypothesize is that only slow-motion was used in Apollo 11. Later, they improved thier methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.

It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
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I was asking about this issue.
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If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that the there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects differently.


Evidently the slow-motion speed is different.
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You also didn't give your opinions of what I said about Jay Windley and the Clavius forum.

http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=119 4111920
http://www.geologyrocks.co.uk/forum/q_and_a/a_strange_scenario_re_sifted_sand

The fact that Jay Windley and those regular posters at Clavius got caught telling a big lie about science is mere circumstantial evidence that Apollo was a hoax but it's pretty strong. Please say what you think about this.


Also, here's the latest thing I've found about the fluttering flag issue.

2 minure 35 second mark

This video was made by one of the regular posters at Clavius.


Look at this comment. It's the 75th one down.

michaelstmark
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Well Green', Bert's neat analysis has also inadvertently debunked the electrostatics attraction theory, by illustrating the flag moving very fractionally outwards in a bow wave effect just before the astronaut arrives - exactly as it does in the scaled-down atmosphere model demo' on AAM.

All credit to you again for spotting the anomalous flag move in the first place.
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Evidently the flag moves slightly away from the astronaut just before it moves toward him because of the wave created by his approach.

Why it then moves toward his is explained at the 3 minute 5 second mark of this video.

John

I never said it wasn't. It was just a question, and you didn't even answer it. If someone was saying something about you would you want it stopped? I know you would.

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Scott

You pro-Apollo people are not moved by evidence. I wonder if this is why.

Cognitive Dissonance and learning
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Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. Neighbour (1992) makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching: he shows how to drive this kind of intellectual wedge between learners' current beliefs and "reality".




Beyond this benign if uncomfortable aspect, however, dissonance can go "over the top", leading to two interesting side-effects for learning:

• if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning. Even Carl Rogers recognised this. Accommodation is more difficult than Assimilation, in Piaget's terms.
• and—counter-intuitively, perhaps—if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".

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Katczinsky

Nice try Scott, but your self-proclaimed evidence is very flimsy, controvertible, and at best, circumstantial.

You suffer at what psychiatrists call delusion.

de·lu·sion /dɪˈluʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-loo-zhuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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"4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion."

People under a delusion often have the common characteristic of a strong will to believe a certain way. Consequently, under this frame of mind they desperately search for anything, even the most flimsy of evidence in a false rationalization, painted by the deluded in question as incontrovertible. The deluded often recognize the "hits" instead of the "misses", even if the "misses" significantly overshadow the "hits". This is why the deluded abroad are able to continue to think visiting holy cites in the Middle East and Europe will heal the sick or that the holocaust never happened, despite the incontrovertible scientific evidence to the contrary in both cases.

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