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03-24-2008, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott  You pro-Apollo people are not moved by evidence. I wonder if this is why. Cognitive Dissonance and learning
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Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. Neighbour (1992) makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching: he shows how to drive this kind of intellectual wedge between learners' current beliefs and "reality".
Beyond this benign if uncomfortable aspect, however, dissonance can go "over the top", leading to two interesting side-effects for learning: - if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning. Even Carl Rogers recognised this. Accommodation is more difficult than Assimilation, in Piaget's terms.
- and—counter-intuitively, perhaps—if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky Nice try Scott, but your self-proclaimed evidence is very flimsy, controvertible, and at best, circumstantial.
You suffer at what psychiatrists call delusion.
de·lu·sion /dɪˈluʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-loo-zhuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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"4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion."
People under a delusion often have the common characteristic of a strong will to believe a certain way. Consequently, under this frame of mind they desperately search for anything, even the most flimsy of evidence in a false rationalization, painted by the deluded in question as incontrovertible. The deluded often recognize the "hits" instead of the "misses", even if the "misses" significantly overshadow the "hits". This is why the deluded abroad are able to continue to think visiting holy cites in the Middle East and Europe will heal the sick or that the holocaust never happened, despite the incontrovertible scientific evidence to the contrary in both cases. | Scott is also very boring, too.
bor·ing (bôr  ng, b r-)adj. Uninteresting and tiresome; dull.
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03-24-2008, 03:52 PM
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He still hasn't refuted the evidence I presented that exposed him as a Soviet impostor, by the way. Perhaps he suffers from cognitive dissonance. 
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03-24-2008, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky I'll second that.
He still hasn't refuted the evidence I presented that exposed him as a Soviet impostor, by the way. Perhaps he suffers from cognitive dissonance. | Yep. All he is doing rambling on about us without wanting to engage us directly in a debate. 
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03-25-2008, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tyreay I love it. More misinformation without research. I mentioned the belt partially as bait. The point of the belt is that it stops large doses of radiation from reaching the earth. There were large solar flares while they were suppose to be on the moon. No human could have lived through them. Check into it if you really care about the subject.
I just love the members who read the last few pages of a thread and think they have the answers. Although I will say that the best evidence out there, the link in the OP was removed from the web. It had actual scientists that worked at NASA at the time saying it was a hoax, giving scientific reasons as to why we weren't able to go, and also giving alot more than that. If you only go to the sites that say it wasn't a hoax than thats what you'll believe.
I'm not up to arguing this thread right now. I'll check it out after I'm done with my back operation. Please don't think I'm not posting because I decided that the hoax is untrue, its not. Peace everyone. | During July 1969, the time of the Apollo 11 flight, there were a total of 489 solar flare emissions. Dancing between the raindrops indeed. This is a pretty meaningless statistic without information on the intensities involved. There are solar flares all the time, but not many are energetic enough to be a hazard.
In July 1969 there were 33 flares energetic enough to be measured in X-ray wavelengths ( source). There were none energetic enough to be measured as a Solar Proton Event. Although I cannot find an authoritative source for the risk involved, it is possible to make an estimate of around 3% chance of exceeding 1 sievert (see accompanying page). Hardly "dancing between the raindrops." The public is blissfully unaware of the risk factors and Russian roulette that must have gone on. This is true. Solar flare hazard was one area NASA was unable to make adequate provision of backup options - they just had to hope they wouldn't get badly hit.
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03-26-2008, 01:06 PM
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The fluttering flag closes the whole case.
One of the regular posters at Clavius and Bad Astronomy made this video to try to debunk it.
Read comment #75 by michaelstmark.
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Well Green', Bert's neat analysis has also inadvertently debunked the electrostatics attraction theory, by illustrating the flag moving very fractionally outwards in a bow wave effect just before the astronaut arrives - exactly as it does in the scaled-down atmosphere model demo' on AAM.
All credit to you again for spotting the anomalous flag move in the first place.
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Once people actually see the evidence, there's nothing you can do to make them think they really went to the moon.
What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
Part 1
Part 2
Was it Only a Paper Moon? (documentary)
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03-26-2008, 01:22 PM
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It seems you attempt to fit the evidence around your conclusion, not the other way around, Scott. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
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03-26-2008, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott The evidence shows the moon missions were faked and you people are playing dumb. | Scott, speak about yourself on this boring game of yours.   
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03-26-2008, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky Conspiracy theorist tactic; avoid debate, sense, and real evidence and continue reposting dubious internet videos.
It seems you attempt to fit the evidence around your conclusion, not the other way around, Scott. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. | I concur 100% with you, Kat. I don't know why he won't engage in a direct debate over this thread. He's had a few chances to do so, so like I said before, his posts means nothing. 
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04-16-2008, 04:54 PM
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You mean like the telescope in Britain that actually tracked Apollo 11's progress, right down to when it landed on the moon? | |
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