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Old 02-07-2008, 10:07 AM   #241 (permalink)
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If those signs were even close to all the signs (and I mean not even close) then you'd have a point. But there not, so you dont. As far as mountains and Islands, I dont know what you are talking about.
Do you know how mountains and Islands are created because they didn't just magically appear.

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Thats why they went back to the hebrew and greek scripts, and men in the top of there field translated them, making the New American Standard. Look into it, its by far the best translated bible in the world.
Yes because people today can't mess up right. And what greek scripts have to do with anything?

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There are alot of folks who will tell you the bible can be interpreted in different ways, and most of those folks have a stake in making it say things they WANT to hear. Which is also prophecy fullfilled. Dont believe the hype, search these things for yourself before you decide. You can believe what ever you want, but these things are to important for you to be relying on the thoughts of others, including myself.
Do you realize that you are one of those people interpreting it so you hear what you want to hear. You can't honestly tell me you know exactly what those people meant when they wrote this bible. They lived in a completely different time, they thought differently, the words they spoke couldv'e meant different things. I mean come on if you say "fag" in the U.S your insulting someone and if you say "fag" in England your asking for a cigarette.

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The age of law and blood were important, for us to understand and be thankfull for the age of grace. Not only that, but where did you come up with the idea that Jesus came at that time to end suffering? Suffering continues today, all over the world. Why did Jesus come? Lets go striaght to his words "to find that which was lost"
How did those people lose something then that they didn't have?
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Old 02-07-2008, 10:14 AM   #242 (permalink)
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Do you know how mountains and Islands are created because they did just magically appear.
Way to dodge the post. Why dont you respond to all of it?

I still dont know what mountains have to do with this conversation.
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Yes because people today can't mess up right. And what greek scripts have to do with anything?
Thats a cop out, why dont you learn about it, then comment.

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Do you realize that you are one of those people interpreting it so you hear what you want to hear. You can't honestly tell me you know exactly what those people meant when they wrote this bible. They lived in a completely different time, they thought differently, the words they spoke couldv'e meant different things. I mean come on if you say "fag" in the U.S your insulting someone and if you say "fag" in England your asking for a cigarette.
Again, this is a total cop out. If your to lazy, or just not interested in learning about it, just say so. That doesnt make me or the bible wrong.
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How did those people lose something then that they didn't have?
I never said "they" had anything, he said HE came to find that which was lost.
Old 02-07-2008, 10:17 AM   #243 (permalink)
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What is truly surprising to me is always the arrogance that is shown by assuming that one small group of people in a small part of the world are the possessors of the one true prophecy. There are many other belief systems that have prophets and prophecies. If I were inclined to believe in prophecy, I think it would serve me well to include each of those in serious study before coming to the conclusion that the only one I studied, was the only right one.
Exactly. People need to have more open minds to other's beliefs. They need to learn that what they "know" just might not be right.
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Old 02-07-2008, 10:18 AM   #244 (permalink)
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My husband and his family are Jehovah's Witnesses. I would say I'm much more in a position then you are.

Great, Throw down then. You would say so, but how do the rest of us know, you have brought nothing to the table but insults.

BTW since when did being married to a JW make you a expert in bible prophecy??? Who translated the JW bible??
Old 02-07-2008, 10:20 AM   #245 (permalink)
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What is truly surprising to me is always the arrogance that is shown by assuming that one small group of people in a small part of the world are the possessors of the one true prophecy. There are many other belief systems that have prophets and prophecies. If I were inclined to believe in prophecy, I think it would serve me well to include each of those in serious study before coming to the conclusion that the only one I studied, was the only right one.

What is trully surprising to me is the fact that you think im among a small group of people. This same message is being spread all over the world. BTW I would more than welcome discussion about other prophecies from other religions. It would only strengthen my possition.
Old 02-07-2008, 10:21 AM   #246 (permalink)
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Exactly. People need to have more open minds to other's beliefs. They need to learn that what they "know" just might not be right.

Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the father but through me"

I'll take his word over yours anyday.
Old 02-07-2008, 10:26 AM   #247 (permalink)
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Exactly. People need to have more open minds to other's beliefs. They need to learn that what they "know" just might not be right.

You dont know the first thing about bible prophecy, yet tell people they need to be more open minded??? Why cant you open your mind to bible prophecy?? Then at least you would have something to stand on when refuting it.
Old 02-07-2008, 10:37 AM   #248 (permalink)
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I'm a cop out because I contradict you? Those signs were there and I'm not the only one that has said so, you're the one trying to say that they weren't there. You said people translated the texts and I said they couldv'e messed up just because they're the "best" in their field doesn't stop them from screwing up or maybe changing a word here and there. I've read some passages in the bible about the end times and I looked at it from different angles and guess what it didn't always say the same thing.

And if Jesus came to find what was lost my question is how could whatever it was be lost if it was never there?
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Old 02-07-2008, 10:38 AM   #249 (permalink)
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The Bible was written a very long time ago, in a certain geographical area, Grace. That is my point. Yes it has spread, but the texts haven't changed in over a thousand years. And going over other cultures prophecies wouldn't prove you correct about Bible prophecy, it would disprove much of what the Bible believers say is true. Your belief is that there is only one true way, isn't it? You can't have it both ways. And it might prove that some ancient Jews and Greeks were able to glean from their ideas, some of the same thoughts and understandings that many other cultures found to be true to them. We are all humans, whether or not we are all the same religion. You've heard of the collective unconscious?
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I'm a cop out because I contradict you?
No, because you assume things with no knowledge on the subject, THAT is a cop out.

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Those signs were there and I'm not the only one that has said so, you're the one trying to say that they weren't there.
And I stand by that statment, LOADED with information, just say you want to know, And I will show you. You are not the only one who has said the signs were there, and your not the only one who hasnt come close to proving themselfs.
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You said people translated the texts and I said they couldv'e messed up just because they're the "best" in their field doesn't stop them from screwing up or maybe changing a word here and there. I've read some passages in the bible about the end times and I looked at it from different angles and guess what it didn't always say the same thing.
Again, you speak, but you know not. Why dont you research it, and find out why,,,, nevermind, I cant continue this with someone who WANTS to be ignorant of it.
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And if Jesus came to find what was lost my question is how could whatever it was be lost if it was never there?
It was there, in the garden of eden, before they ate the fruit.
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