Defending the Truth

And once again, do you really think the government could have kept this a secret? It defies logic. Especially in this day and age.

They couldn't keep Watergate a secret 35 years ago, and that was piddly compared to this.

So, what, exactly are the credentials of your experts?

I got information from engineers, as well as owners of demolition companies. As well as Professor's in Physics, ect ect, they dont know what they are talking about right?

ROFL!!!

Who?

No, she simply made a mistake and stated the time the firefighters were combating fires days after the attacks...Nothing major, but something you want to cling to desperately in order to claim 'my conspiracy is true'...

Like Knot said, you more then likely didn't even read the links she provided, but briefly opened them up and then dismissed them as quickly as you closed them. Because the simple fact is, you don't want to admit to anything that doesn't support your conspiracy fantasy.

You've been told already my Foundit and myself (and now Knot), about the generators and their explosions...As well as I personally went into great detail, when you also then claimed it was 'impossible' by explaining the sprinkler system, electrical sparks, etc...

BUT, you want to pretend otherwise and dismiss it to your preferred 'it couldn't have happened that way cause my experts (who aren't really experts) said it couldn't have happened that way'...

Sorry Grace, but you've had each of your arguments disproven repeatedly...

Fuel does indeed ignite. Reason why they tell you to ground yourself so not to cause cold electrical shock and exstinguish all cigarettes at the pumps...And all those elements were present the day the towers collasped and the other buildings that were damaged as well from their collasp.

Here are a few you can start your research on, that claim there was molten steel found at the site.

Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray spectrometry evidence from samples taken at the WTC site. They dramatically show a PERFECT MATCH for the highly specialized compound "thermate" (used for cutting through steel) found in the WTC debris. (And no, thermate was NOT used during the clean up operation...this stuff was in the building, and ignited, prior to collapse.) CLICK HERE

Reference: http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Leslie Robertson, the Chief Structural Engineer for the Twin Towers, said: "As of 21
days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running"

(Williams, 2001). Knight-Ridder journalist Jennifer Lin, discussing Joe "Toolie" O'Toole,
a Bronx firefighter who worked for many months on the rescue and clean-up efforts, wrote:
"Underground fires raged for months. O'Toole remembers in February seeing a crane lift a
steel beam vertically from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero. 'It was dripping from
the molten steel," he said'" (Lin, 2002).

Professor Allison Geyh (2001) of Johns Hopkins, who was part of a team of public health
investigators who visited the site shortly after 9/11, wrote: "In some pockets now being
uncovered they are finding molten steel". Dr. Keith Eaton, who somewhat later toured the
site with an engineer, said that he was shown slides of "molten metal, which was still red
hot weeks after the event"

-Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction, and Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Incorporated both reported molten steel. Tully said that he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at the site. Loizeaux said that several weeks after 9/11, when the rubble was being removed, "hot spots of molten steel" were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement]levels" (both statements quoted in Bollyn, 2004).[33]


Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint, Inc.-added that "sometimes when a
worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping
molten steel" (Walsh, 2002).

Reference: http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html
A review of of the documentary Collateral Damage in the New York Post describes firemen at Ground Zero recalling "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel."

A transcription of an audio interview of Ground Zero chaplain Herb Trimpe contains the following passage: "I talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped, beams had just totally had been melted because of the heat. So this was the kind of heat that was going on when those airplanes hit the upper floors. It was just demolishing heat."

A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated: "Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helens"

Talk about Grace talking about BS-ing eh? ROTFLMAOL!!

Meet demolition expert Danny Jowenco, a 27 year owner of a demotion company and considered top in the field in Europe.

Going back to your trolling ways already? You are no fun.

What Professor Steven Jones' collegues think of him:

After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his "Conspiracy Theory" relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).
I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones' (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.
The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.
Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me, a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-199, Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.
D. Allan Firmage
Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU
http://www.netxnews.net/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/09/443801bdadd6e

"I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims" "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review." - A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair, BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering

http://www.et.byu.edu/ce/people/people.php?person=1&page=miller/vita.php

"The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones." - The College of Engineering and Technology department

http://www.et.byu.edu/index.php?m1=faculty&n=2

"Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years." - Van D. Romero, Ph.D. in Physics

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~red/van.html