Grace

I take it AP's "authorities" over looked the FACT that steel as thick as the steel used to build the WTC's CANT melt, or weaken in even 2000 degree's. And thats over 300 degree's hotter than jet fuel burns. In fact the steel was tested in temperatures hotter then the heat Jet fuel burns at, FOR SEVERAL HOURS. The WTC buildings were the first EVER to fall from "fire". EVER. Keep your head in the sand though, if it makes you feel better.

Another thing to note, the building that got hit by the second plane fell first, even though the first crash had much more of a direct hit, and longer time for the fuel to burn. Hmmm

AlicornsPrayer

ROTFLMAOL! Sorry to burst your bubble Grace, but my 'authorities' was those hired to find out what happened in the first place...Unlike your 'authorities' who only claim to know what happened because they live off of goverment conspiracies to begin with. Not from any actual investigation of the scene itself, but through 'maybes, couldas, shouldas, wouldas'...

The very people you've gotten your 'information' from were disproven period. And every time one of their claims were disproven, they'd go in and change their information to come up with a new 'fact' in order to coverup their misinformation.

But I understand...You buy into gossip, innuendo, and wishful thinking. So you'll cling to any 'facts' with bulldog determination, simply cause you rather be one of the sheep those 'authorities' of yours claims to be.

The conditions to make the steel soften (not melt, SOFTEN) and bend were met...The fuel sources, the fires, a hollow building plan (the buildings themselves had a hollow center that weakened the stability), the planes slicing through and blowing up inside the building, as well as the hundreds of tons of concrete and steel itself...

I recommend a great show for you Grace...You can even buy it on-line from the Discovery and History Channels...It's called 'The Myths of the 9-11 Conspiracy'...

They interviewed your 'authorities' on it...And as each one of their claims were debunked, they were interviewed about their inaccurate claims...They admitted their claims were only 'theory' but that they catered their information to gullible people like yourself, who live off of 'goverment conspiracy theories'.

In otherwords, they admitted that their information, that the people they sourced as providing their 'proof' was entertainment value, not actual supportable facts.

If anything, the conspiracy isn't that 9-11 didn't happened...The actual conspiracy is making people THINK it didn't happen. And you bought into that conspiracy. Hook, line, and sinker.

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Grace

I really dont understand your ignorance. The steel was tested at HIGHER temperatures then Jet fuel burns at, for several hours. Jet fuel CANT melt or weaken the steel used to build the WTC's, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
I dont "live off of conspiracy theories", I just happen to know for a fact that planes cant bring down a building as orgainized as controlled demolition. And certainly not twice. Not by a LONG SHOT. And What the hell do you mean I dont think it happened? I know damn well it happened, and suddenly Bush had every reason he was looking for to attack Afgan, and Iraq. Maybe next you can explain how a boeing 747 standing forty foot high , with with 124 foot wing span only made a 16 foot hole in the pentagon. And was the first crash in aviation history to vaporize from the heat of it own fuel.

AlicornsPrayer

No, you don't 'know for a fact'...You take at face-value what someone, who's job is to create conspiracy stories, tells you what you 'should know'...While ignoring the facts that it did indeed happen and cost the lives of thousands.

The fact is, the real conspiracy is to make people like you THINK there's a conspiracy. Plain and simple. The very people who spoon-fed you the 'facts' you base your 'know for a fact' argument off of, admitted that they weren't being truthful about that information on national t.v. That they did so in order to foster the conspiracy theory that 'it had to be staged' argument. And they've also admitted to changing their story, when information is shown debunking their conspiracy story, in order to keep the masses clicking their sites (every time thier site is visited, it generates money for them), buying their books (again, makes them money), and buying their videos (and again, makes them more money).

And dear you fell for it hook, line, and sinker just like the millions of other people they fed their conspiracy story to. From their own mouths in fact, in two different 9-11 centered specials, they admitted to creating the '9-11 was staged' conspiracy story.

The only thing that they're authorities on is seperating people from the money in their pockets. Because part of the fees you pay to gain access to the internet? Goes towards paying for those clicks by the internet provider companies. And the more people that visit those sites, the more internet providers raise their rates to their customers...

Just in case you didn't understand how clicking a site lke that takes money out of your pocket.

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paradoxymoron

Grace is a conspiracy nut but saying that the only reason people talk about 9/11 and question the official line is for profit doesn't fall into the same trap? You even implied that the ISP's are somehow 'in' on it. That fails, AP. Miserably. You aren't arguing with Grace, you're just saying that because it's a "conspiracy theory" it's wrong.

and "Clicking their sites" doesn't generate revenue. You don't get money for people visiting your website. You get money if they click on your ads.

Grace

"We know that the steel componants were certified to the ASTM E1 19. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures of 2000 degrees F for several hours"
Additionaly, I think we can all agree that even unfire proofed steel will not melt until reaching red hot temperatures of nearly 3000 degree's F. Why Dr Brown would imply that 2000 degree F would melt the high grade steel used in those buildings makes no sence at all

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers."

Kevin Ryan- Underwritter Laboratories

Kevin Ryans job isnt to create conspiracies, his job is to test steel for Underwritter's Laboratories. I have never paid for, or was asked to pay for any information I came across.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth - Home

Wanna try and explain how a 40 foot high boeing 747 with a 124 foot wing span only made a 16 foot hole in the pentagon, or how it became the first crash in aviation history to vaporize under its own heat?

NY mag has a damn 9 page story on 9/11, that could lead one to wonder if many things we were told were true.The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll - A New Generation of Conspiracy Theorists are at Work on the Secret History of 9/11 -- New York Magazine

Besides, If I were you I'd go with this, even if you dont believe it. Its one way to get conservatives to hate Bush

Grace

I am not a conspiracy nut. This is about the only conspiracy that I have ever given any credit to ever. I fully believe Oswald shot JFK, completly on his own accord.

AlicornsPrayer

I'm not saying that 'because it's a conspiracy, it's wrong'...I'm saying this particular conspiracy is a lie period. The very group that created it, that fathered over 6,000 sites with it's 'proof' admitted to it being nothing more then a story they created.

In fact, they're pretty proud of just how much controversy it's generated, and the attention it's gotten them and the books/videos they sell to promote their story. And as the facts change, they're not a least bit concerned of people noticing how then they change the information to suit the information that shows their story as a fraud.

And yes, they also said in the show that visiting their site does generate money. It's not just ads, but they have a visitor counter that pays them for how ever many visitors they get a day. Every page visited on their sites, generates them money from their hosts.

Sorry if you don't get that dear. But that's how it goes. And their hosts are owned by AOL, Yahoo, Charter, and other internet providers. So again...In the end, the costs are filtered down to the consumers themselves.

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highway80west

Boy, like the wacky Apollo moon landing theories, this is just as nutty.

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Grace

What is nutty is still thinking the steel used to build the WTC's could melt or weaken in 1600 degree temps, even after the people who made and tested the steel says its impossible. You can throw around names, call people crazy, ect ect, but till you find away around this fact, you have nothing brother.