Defending the Truth

You ever been in a place as hot as the buildings were on 09/11? It takes fire to make steel. Ask any man working inside the steel mills in Pennsylvania.

If these buildings didn't have steel like some buildings in poor countries, they'd be down fast as if they were struck by earthquakes.

Now dont get me wrong, I totaly think we actualy went to the moon. But a couple questions always come to mind when I think about it. #1 why havent we went back there? And # 2 (this is where I came up with these 2 questions) I saw awhile back that we were planning to go back to the moon, but it was going to take like 15 years. Shouldnt it be easy for us to do it again, especialy now? Why would it take so long?

Russia was able to wittness nearly the whole thing though, so no way would they lets us get away with such a lie, especialy considering we were in a race to get there with them.

Because congress didn't budget any $$$ for more moon missions. They budgeted for what we now have: The Space Shuttle. They feel that they wanted a space plane instead.

What I find particularly nutty is the fact what happened on 9-11 cost thousands of innocent lives...And that those like yourself buying into the conspiracy story, dimenish the loss of their lives by perpetuating the lie that it was all a lie that it even occured...

Because in fact what you are saying is that the families who lost loved ones on the planes, that their family members who died never exsisted...And what you are also saying is that those killed in the buildings of WTC and the Pentagon were 'killed by our goverment' in order to get involved in a war.

Lives were lost that day...Many lives in fact. Real people, with real families, who are grieving yet today because of their losses. Real planes with real passengers, with real families that will never see them again.

Yet you'd rather swallow hook, line, and sinker a story that the people who created it admits to it being just that...A story...And basically spit spit and stomp on the memories of those lost and their families that are grieving.

So, you may call me nutty all you like, for actually taking YOUR 'authorities' word that they did indeed make up the conspiracy...Rather then be gullible like you are instead...Because I for one feel for the victims and their families. And I for one understand that it's a story (by your own 'authorities' mouths) and not show disrespect to those lost on that day to hyperbole and the wishful speculation you seem to enjoy engaging in.

Yes it does, a great amount of heat, and the thicker the steel the more heat you need. Especialy if it was steel meant to withstand fire. (which it was) 1600 degrees (The heat that jet fuel produces) isnt even as hot as the temps they used to test that steel. That steel didnt melt or weaken in almost 400 degree's hotter than the conditions it saw on 9/11. On top of that, as we all clearly saw as the planes hit the buildings, alot of the fuel came out as a giant fire ball on impact on the other side, so the fire inside was also exagerated. They have a fire fighter on radio putting together a plan to put the fire out, as he saw it. That wouldnt not have been possible if it were burning as intense as was told.

Playing that card hu?? Well I call it BS. The ONLY thing that can honor the victoms families is the damn truth. We own it to them to investigate this whole mess with a fine tooth comb. To expose every lie. To find out who really killed there mothers, fathers, brothers , sisters, ect ect. If someone in my family got murdered, I wouldnt rest till I knew for a fact who killed them, and bring them to justice. You call this administration murderers. You call them imperialist. You call them evil. Really, what is so hard to believe? If they are all those things, is this really beyond them? Especialy considering what they had to gain from this?

Actually Grace, the steel in the building wasn't created to withstand fire...It was created to bend to sway with the high wind speeds that sky scrapers are assualted with every day.

In otherwords, it wasn't 'thick, durable steel'. It was actually 'thick, pliable steel' specifically designed to sway with the wind and endure wind stresses.

Furthermore, when the building was being designed, it was designed in what they call a 'drop hole'...Along with the feature of the tube design (remember, the 'hollow' center?), the frame 'hung' on the outter edges of the inner circle of the 'tube', IF the building was to somehow collasp for whatever reason, it would do so within itself instead of falling over and onto other building structures around it.

The building wasn't built to withstand damage period. It was designed in a specific manner to withstand wind stress and for as much minimal damage possible to outside buildings and pedestrians IF it was to suffer significant enough damage that brought it falling down.

And that designing actually worked as it was designed to for the buildings. They did indeed 'bend' with the stess put on them, as well as the collasp was controlled in the manner the building had been designed for. Within itself, and into it's own drop hole.

Unfortunately, the designers never thought of someone using a plane to bring the towers down...So they didn't figure in debris that a high sided impact would cause to buildings around them...Many of those buildings damaged which had been built after the towers went up in fact and by then the myth that the Towers were 'indestructable' had been born.

But just like the Titanic supposedly being unsinkable...The Towers were not indestructable.

That could very well be. I never thought of that.

See, im not beyond admitting possibilities when they are presented to me. I just dont understand why you guys dont. The fact is no amount of jet fuel could have melted the steel beems, its not even remotly possible. How do you get around that? I know I cant.

Wasnt built to withstand fire??? Wasnt built to with stand damage? Ive seen several people who designed the building quoted as saying it was made to endure a storm for 150 years, and was made to take the impact of a boeing 707 fully fueled. And I have yet to hear a reasonable explaination of how 1600 degree temps, weakened steel that was tested and found sound after being tested in 2000 degree temps for several more hours than the building burned for.

I'm not the one playing 'a card'...You and your other lovely little 9-11 conspiracy fanatics are the one doing that. And your card is a Joker card to boot.

Who have I called an Imperalist? ROTFLMAOL!!! Creating your own little conspiracy story there Grace?

The only evil people were the terrorists that highjacked the planes and decided to fly them into our home turf. It's not hard to believe at all, especially considering it isn't the first time there's been terrorist attacks prior to that incident.

I don't for one second, not believe that our goverment didn't know that they were cooking up something. And I do blame the goverment for sitting on their hands, not doing a thing to look into the matter in order to avoid it happening in the first place.

But they really didn't believe that the terrorists would go to such a level to do what they did or that it would happen so soon in our future then...That they didn't give it much attention, as prior attempts had been poorly planned and ineffective in the past...

In otherwords, that our goverment wasn't watching closely enough cause they didn't give the terrorist enough credit to actually plan it so well. They were irresponsible in following up on the rumors that a plan was in the works.

But the events happened, and not at the hands of our goverment, but at the hands of the terrorists themselves. That it wasn't a 'goverment planned' tragedy...But exactly what it is...A terrorist plot that succeeded because our goverment wasn't paying attention and thought we were untouchable.

Simple as that. I put the blame on the goverment where it belongs...Their failure to protect us as well as they should have. But I will not falsely perpetuate a story that is an admitted falsehood by it's creators, like you are willing to do.

We do not show the victims respect, by pretending that their deaths weren't real...And that's exactly what you do, each time you buy into the 'planes didn't hit the towers' with your fantasies Grace. And in return, also do the same to those killed in the buildings as well due to the damaged caused by those planes.