Defending the Truth

I don't know how to explain it any better then I have. You are free to not believe me and watch the special itself, and perhaps their explination of how it works will help you to understand it...

I know myself, I'd never heard of visitor counters that paid site owners...Like you, I'd only heard about ad clicker useage. The hosts they use, provide the visitor clicker, to help cut down the costs for the site owner similar to the ad clicker. Just based off of visitors though. But the sites are so popular, that they're making a profit from so many visitors. So, they are making money from their hosts.

Strange but true.

Like I said...If it wasn't for the way our society loves a good conspiracy, they'd not be making money off of our own gullibility. Because in the end, it's the hosts who charge the consumers to make up that loss...And the biggest web space providers are Charter, AOL/Yahoo, and I forgot MSN.

Oh, and the incentive would be a pretty good one I'd think...The more people that are visiting the site, encourages those people to set up a site themselves, using the very hosts and programming materials that the site thier visiting are using.

Of course, I'm a cheap bugger myself....When I set up my sites, I used free hosting rather then go for the paid package options.

I see a lot of bashing the guy, but I dont see anyone dealing with the fact that the steel couldnt have weakened in just over 1600 degree temps. And the various web sites Ive been to all claim regular untreated steel begins to melt at about 2500, to 2800 degrees. Being the steel was treated, it would have taken hotter temps than that.

Sure looks like some of that steel melted after all. And that aint no 18' support beam. Cut at a perfect 45 degree angle no less, same as they do in demolition.

Demolition expert Danny Jowenco on wct 7

Who benefited the most from 9/11??

Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points, is it Grace?

I said that they used a stronger steel on the lower levels...In otherwords, it wasn't the 18 inch steel that was used in the UPPER levels. I've repeated that several times to you darling, and you don't seem to be able to grasp that concept at all...

Secondly, the pieces for the building of the WTC wasn't done on-site...But at the steel factories themselves...In otherwords...Pre-fab pieces...

Sorry, but demolition DOESN'T 'cut' steel pieces before demolition...They tape on explosive to major support beams and the 'explosion' wouldn't 'cut' the steel either...

What you see there is where a weld had been done, to join two pieces together, and it broke at that welding spot when the tower collasped. Nothing more, nothing less...More then likely, it was one of the support beams that had been replaced after the 1993 bombing which had to be fitted into the space of the removed support beam.

Also, not every piece of steel was coated with fire-resistant materials...There was no need, since the towers were built by building code standards at that time...Which were non-exsistant/lax in the 60's. Only the outside corner struts were as well as the inside corners around the fire escapes and elevators were coated with the paint-type fire resistant. And the rest of the 'fire-resistant' materials used were in plaster and drywall form, used on the inside the building itself for ceiling/walls.

When there was a fire in the late 70's on one of the office floors (severe structual damage was noted), the inspectors at that time determined that the fire safty was inadequate and that the possibility of a fire causing severe loss of structure integrity were a huge risk so more fire-proofing materials were added. So their recommendation was adding water sprinklers to floors above the garage levels throughout the buildings.

When the first bombing happened in 1993, inspectors once again found the fire-proofing inadequate and in need of replacement. As well as severe structual damage to the basement level secondary support beams. But the port authority only had 18 floors finished in building 1, and finished only the floors that were effected by the previous fires when 9-11 happened.

In fact, the only sprinkler system in the WTC was the basement levels prior to 1993...They'd installed a full sprinkler system then had just replaced in 2001 , the same year the towers were destroyed.

And your so-called 'expert' there actually has no more knowledge about what he is talking about, then you do...Just like you, he's imagining what happened, based of of no actual workable knowledge he has himself.

The 'Boeing 707' myth you cling to, was actually only an assumption on the part of engineers...Their assumption being that the lightweight trusses and columns might perform as well as the heavier materials used in the Empire State Building (which was incidentally hit by 2 planes with little to no damage itself)...But they didn't give any thought whatsoever to what possible fire damage might cause to that lighter frame...

Robertson, who was the head engineer,did an analysis himself in the 70's and stated that possiblity of fire from fuel wasn't taken into consideration to the original claims that it could survive a plane hit.

After 9-11, he restated that claim, saying that they hadn't taken into consideration the fuel itself or it's being kept burning by the office supplies and materials themselves....

And that's the man who designed and built the towers, stating himself, that his own design wasn't 'fire-proofed'...That his design hadn't taken into consideration many other factors outside of possible initial impact of a plane. And that the steel used hadn't been as durable as that used in the Emipire State building...

Although those within the engineering fields have stated that his design probally saved lives, as it lasted long enough to allow thousands on the lower levels of impact to escape with their lives.

Sorry Grace...But I'll take the man who designed it word over your wannabe authority any day of the week.

And like I said earlier, who could have ever thought that the steel was made to withstand the shaking done by the unpredicatble winds in the wintertime, not from airplanes flying into them with the fuel tanks nearly full? I don't know much tougher the steel needs to be made to withstand temperatures hotter than the standard melting temperature.

Ask any steel worker in the 1970's just how hot it was inside the steel mills, and how hot the steel is pre-fabricated from hot liquid before they start to cool off.

Take a look at the San Diego-Coronado Bay Bridge. I see that bridge every day when I work at the ballpark.

San Diego-Coronado Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The thing is, the fires didn't have to create enough heat to melt the beams themselves...Just weaken/soften them enough to fail...

Secondly, the heat inside a steel factory doesn't set the temperatures for steel produced reaching a certain 'soften' stage of the steel itself...

They make several types of steel in a steel plant...Different types to withstand different stresses such as wind, weight, etc...

In this case, several types of steel materials were used in the construction of the towers...The ground support steel, that was thicker and heavier, allowing for extra weight to be built on it's foundation...The lighter 'flexible' 18 inch steel for building higher and withstand wind stresses, then lightweight floor truss system used to bridge and add stability to the exterior walls.

Now, all of these types of steel have not only different stress levels, but have different melting temperatures...The lighter the steel, the lower the melt point. In return, the lower the softening point as well...

And our dear Gracie, along with her other 9-11 conspiracy nuts, don't seem to be able to grasp the difference in those types of materials. Instead, they figure all the steel used were the same stress type/melting point.

And they had to use lightweight materials to lessen the weight stresses in order to build as high as they did...Which was higher then the Empire State building itself which was built of heaver steel components then used in the WTC.

Put it this way...If I ever decide to build myself a highrise? I will not be having Gracie or her 'authorities' doing the job for me...Although I'm sure Gracie would hire her 'pool boy' Ryan in a heartbeat...